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05-30-2015 06:44 PM  3 years agoPost 1
Einzelganger

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This isn't a huge surprise, because as I make any progress towards my goal, I have to go back over and over to "relearn" the other orientations. After I shore them back up, Fast Backwards Inverted is tough again.
I don't know if flying a helicopter is as complex as riding a bicycle, but I bet it is close.....if not more difficult.
Check this out....
http://utmnews.com/every-person-who...s-mind-blowing/

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05-30-2015 08:21 PM  3 years agoPost 2
gcm2

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I have crashed 2 helis in the last 2 or 3 months trying to learn backwards inverted. I was too low each time. DT520e and my Gaui X3, both inexpensive to fix fortunately. I can fly STRAIGHT inverted back just fine after doing a 1/2 back flip, but trying to turn the dang thing at speed is blowing my mind. At this point, when I get far enough away inverted, I flip back upright, stop, and do some nice big rainbows.

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05-30-2015 09:08 PM  3 years agoPost 3
Einzelganger

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gcm2,
It is a bit embarrassing, but my practice backwards inverted has been only on my big-screen sim. In real life, I would have destroyed every bird I own. So far, this has been by far the toughest of all orientations. It doesn't make sense to my mind as there are no more reversals than any of the other modes.
I guess that the unlearning part is tougher than the learning.

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05-30-2015 11:58 PM  3 years agoPost 4
pctomlin

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Keep on simming, it will become comfortable eventually. Then two mistakes high and go for it, always have a bailout move.

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05-31-2015 12:53 AM  3 years agoPost 5
Jeff polisena

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Put Heli inverted tail towards you then ease on elevator to get Heli moving then move sticks towards each other and away from each other to turn . Plan a bail out move so it's reflex and do little at a time until you can turn away from you .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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05-31-2015 01:55 AM  3 years agoPost 6
don s

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You can do it. Sim time, then do it for real up high. No sweat.

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05-31-2015 02:00 AM  3 years agoPost 7
Einzelganger

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Thanks Don and PC. Gcm2, you'll have this down way before I do. lol

Jeff, I guess this a test,
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then move sticks towards each other and away from each other to turn .
so I'll bite. The sticks will really move together (reversed aileron and rudder) for turns with elevator normal and collective reversed while going fast backwards inverted. Do I pass?

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05-31-2015 02:13 AM  3 years agoPost 8
don s

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Elevator normal, collective reversed, aileron/rudder coordinated.

Remember when inverted you watch the part of the heli closest to you to make your rudder (and aileron in this case) movements. You are literally driving the part closest to you.

Upright you are driving the part that is the farthest from you.

Example, tail first inverted, nose pointed straight back at me. To make a right turn, the nose has to go left. Push rudder and aileron left.

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05-31-2015 02:16 AM  3 years agoPost 9
Cobra 46

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Is there a spread sheet with all the control movement for each oriantaion??

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05-31-2015 02:22 AM  3 years agoPost 10
Einzelganger

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Thanks Don.
That is surprisingly clear.
Cobra, if there is a spreadsheet, I don't know about it.
I'm sure there is a chart somewhere and someone will throw it in here.

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05-31-2015 02:35 AM  3 years agoPost 11
Cobra 46

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dons answer made perfect sence !
That's why I asked , someone will come to our rescue!

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05-31-2015 03:44 AM  3 years agoPost 12
don s

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Not a spreadsheet, but https://rc.runryder.com/t721662p1/

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05-31-2015 04:09 AM  3 years agoPost 13
whoamis

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I had lots of trouble learning it. The combination of a small heli (425mm blades) and flying way up high made it hard to "reaquire orientation visually" when I made a dumb thumb.

I dropped it through three-mistakes of altitude several times. Cost a lot. I think I should have gotten a larger heli earlier, perhaps.

oops, bounced it!

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05-31-2015 04:46 AM  3 years agoPost 14
Daved Gutierrez

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If you are not comfortable and crashing often more likely then not it means you haven't practice your Hovering enough and when I say Hovering I mean in one small spot and not all over the place as many think. If you need stick inputs for an specific move just ask as I'm sure many pilots can help you with that however knowing the stick inputs is only a small part of as the pilot always have to compensate for many other factor like speed of the move, wind speed, how tight you want the move to be etc.

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05-31-2015 05:12 AM  3 years agoPost 15
EEngineer

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It is a bit embarrassing, but my practice backwards inverted has been only on my big-screen sim.
Do be....the SIM is where to get this down...with people's helpful suggestions, one will fit your perspective...and then it'll "click".

SIMing gets boring...but it's gotta be done...like taking out the trash....

FWIW

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05-31-2015 05:15 AM  3 years agoPost 16
Daved Gutierrez

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Absolutely safer and cheaper too.

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05-31-2015 05:30 AM  3 years agoPost 17
EEngineer

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cheaper too.
You bet....have logged over > 10,000 SIM crashes.

The RF SIM only cost $200.....

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05-31-2015 02:04 PM  3 years agoPost 18
Cobra 46

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Don,
Thanks for finding that post . I printed it out .thats an easy reference to look at befor trying an oriantaion

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05-31-2015 02:51 PM  3 years agoPost 19
Daved Gutierrez

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Very interesting post about coordinated and uncoordinated moves. Here's one for those just trying nose in hovering all you really have to do is to mimic whatever the helicopter is doing with the right stick (cyclic control on mode 2 only) meaning that if the helicopter is moving to your left you move the cyclic stick left as well this applies to the 360 degrees and not only to left and right, forward and back the hardest part is training your eyes to recognize that the helicopter is starting to move quickly because the better you are at detecting any drift the more stable your hovering, I'm not very good at explaining things but I hope it helps someone.

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05-31-2015 03:02 PM  3 years agoPost 20
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First, flying a heli doesn't seem to be like a bike, if you don't do it, you lose it. Obviously get proficient on the sim then I moved to a micro, the largest obstacle for me seems to be confidence and the micro helps with that. Now the plan is to progress inverted backwards flight with a warp.

I've experienced greater difficulty learning inverted forwards flight than backwards..

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