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05-28-2015 01:35 AM  3 years agoPost 1
emederos

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I left my plane at a friends house and before i left he told me the receiver will not bind. The receiver i have is a (a r7010) i found out that it will not bind without the remote satellite connected. My question is will he still be able to program the radio to the plane without the remote receiver attached? Is the remote receiver only needed to bind the receiver to the radio and will he be able to still program the plane without it connected ?

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05-28-2015 01:54 AM  3 years agoPost 2
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05-28-2015 03:07 AM  3 years agoPost 3
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Since without the satellite RX attached, the receiver binding process cannot be completed, the receiver will not respond to the transmitter and won't drive the servos. That kind of makes peogramming and serup of any model pretty much impossible.

It's kind of like asking if your friend can practice driving your car if he doesn't have the keys.

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05-28-2015 07:29 PM  3 years agoPost 4
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Yes. You need a satellite. The system is doing a favor by inhibiting a bind.

You're meant to have two antenna. If one fails it will most likely still fly. But that's a degraded condition. Not an initial one.

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05-28-2015 08:48 PM  3 years agoPost 5
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05-28-2015 11:08 PM  3 years agoPost 6
Aaron29

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Yes. The other antenna is integral to the main housing.

No satellite means you have one antenna (integral to the main rx housing) on a system designed for two. Hence no bind.

Receivers such as vbar that have no integral antenna use two satellites.

The system is designed for two. If it weren't we'd have a nice clean futaba look setup but that's not the case.

Case being. The op trying to setup without a satellite and the receiver knows better than to initialize on a degraded setup. It likely sees the transmitter but refuses to bind to avoid initializing in a degraded state.

It's a 30$ fix. Buy a satellite and bind away. And then leave the satellite on there. I don't understand why you'd want to get a satellite, bind, and then remove the satellite. Even if it worked. The system is designed for two.

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05-28-2015 11:27 PM  3 years agoPost 7
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Umm my mini vbar is flying fine with one spectrum sat..

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05-28-2015 11:28 PM  3 years agoPost 8
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The mini vbar says it can run on one or two. I've got a full size vbar running two satellites.

For $30 I'll take two satellites and piece of mind.

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05-28-2015 11:51 PM  3 years agoPost 9
Crazy Horse

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ok took your post above to say you NEED two sats for vbar systems

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05-29-2015 12:20 AM  3 years agoPost 10
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Yeah. We're sidetracked tho as the op is using a spectrum rx

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05-29-2015 01:40 AM  3 years agoPost 11
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I don't understand why you'd want to get a satellite, bind, and then remove the satellite. Even if it worked. The system is designed for two.
Actually you can remove sat after binding BUT throtle will not work. All others will but its pointless.

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05-29-2015 02:32 AM  3 years agoPost 12
dkshema

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Each satellite is a full range, full feature receiver with its own dipole antenna. A satellite is NOT just an antenna. Its output is a serial bit steam containing all information drive servos as well as other signal quality info.

The AR7010 is a full range, full feature receiver whose output includes the decoder and drive circuitry to run servos.

The AR7010 is designed to use one external receiver to provide receiver diversity. Signals at 2.4 GHz are pretty much line of sight with regard to propagation. Further, the energy at 2.4 GHz is readily absorbed by the common materials used in helicopters today. They don't pass through.

Receiver diversity improves RF coverage as at any given time, the chances of both receivers being out of sight of the transmitted signal is small. The system uses the RX with the best signal at any given moment.

The AR7010 as a system requires itself and a satellite RX to bind to a transmitter, and after binding the system requires both pieces to be present to link up with the transmitter when you apply power.

If the system initially links to the transmitter, it will remain functional if one of the receivers goes on the blink. It will get you home.

Not all Spektrum receivers require a satellite to function. Smaller 6-channel "park flyer" receivers such as the AR 6100/6110/6115 are quite happy with no satellite, and these receivers should be used with 450 and smaller helis due to the limited range and lack of receiver diversity.

Most flybarless controllers today will accept one satellite receiver directly, but this configuration should be confined to 450 or smaller helis. Not because of limited range, but because of lack of receiver diversity.

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05-29-2015 04:36 AM  3 years agoPost 13
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Thanks dkshema. That was kind of my point. If there's one area I don't skimp on, it's my transmitter/receiver link. We switched to 2.4 to avoid all the problems of yesteryear. Why reintroduce that uncertainty?

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06-05-2015 02:40 AM  3 years agoPost 14
emederos

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Ok thanks a lot for the inputs. I dropped my plane off at my friends house but I was worried because the initial satellite rx we used to bind was not going to be the one installed permanently. After he binded and programmed the ar7010 with all the surfaces, I bought my own satellite and installed it when he gave me the plane. My initial worry was that I was going to have to use the initial satellite to fly it but I found out it's not the case, just plug in any other satellite and off you go......

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06-05-2015 03:32 AM  3 years agoPost 15
dkshema

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My initial worry was that I was going to have to use the initial satellite to fly it but I found out it's not the case, just plug in any other satellite and off you go....
And perform the BIND procedure when you first fire this up. This is an absolute MUST PERFORM step.

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06-05-2015 04:19 PM  3 years agoPost 16
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After he binded and programmed the ar7010 with all the surfaces,
Provided no trim or maiden has taken place, then no worries, unless your radio was used.

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06-06-2015 02:45 AM  3 years agoPost 17
dkshema

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If you put a new, or different satellite on the receiver, binding is required.

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06-06-2015 03:42 PM  3 years agoPost 18
Pistol Pete

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I'll elaborate on my post to clarify, given the unknown...radio used.

IF OP radio was used to bind the 1st SAT, then (as DK already posted twice in a row) all is needed is to bind the 2nd SAT and he's good to go.

IF OP radio was not used AND trimming/maiden flight took place, then this trimming is on plane surfaces but not in his radio. Therefore, he might experience a possible surprise when he does fly it.

Given its Saturday, chances are he is already at field and I wish him a successful maiden.

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06-08-2015 08:43 PM  3 years agoPost 19
emederos

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Plane flew like a charm...thanks guys just rebinded the radio to new rx

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