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05-25-2015 05:01 PM  3 years agoPost 21
turboomni

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Basically what he is saying the throttle is not nearly as linear like a nitro engine. After 40% [could be less] throttle on a gas engine the difference between 40% throttle to 100% throttle the power increases very little unlike a nitro. So that is why the throttle % mcfast listed are so different than a nitro. 50% at hover and she will be close to full bore!!

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05-25-2015 05:38 PM  3 years agoPost 22
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turboomni
Basically what he is saying the throttle is not nearly as linear
understood

i never program choppers to use a linear curve

my e models that dont have gov i use a curve that kind of govs the hs

i believe a consistent hs helps make a nice tail hold.

for example its hard to set a tail gain with a linear curve.

so i plan on using the tach to set the hs of the gasser while its in the air
with my =wc= e curves

e models i use 0 25 60 60 60 0 25 65 65 65 or 0 25 70 70 70 which ever is the lowest without bobbing if i use 0 25 80 80 80 i would fly in normal mode and forget i was in normal mode then do 3d and crash because the hs was so high i thought id be in idleup so i prefer to keep my normal hs low so when
it's time for 3d id definitely have to hear a hs change to high before id attempt 3d

i us linear curves for setup only

so for example i want to try for normal 0 20 if 40 gives me 1700 rpm then 0 20 40 40 40 is what id use.

and idle up if 60% thr gives me 2000 rpm under load then ill use a 60% v curve

70 65 60 65 70

when i install the gov the curves will most likely be 0 30 30 30 30 for normal 70 and 100 flat for idleup ?

hope i make sense ? if i have the wrong idea please correct me brothers help

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05-25-2015 07:56 PM  3 years agoPost 23
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You can not compare throttle curve to E models and nitro to a gasser totally different, if you do it like you say you will have way too much rpms most of the time, do it like I said, like this or close with govs or not.

Normal 0,12.5,15,17.5,20,25,50
ID1 60,37.5,23,21,23,37.5,60
ID2 100,38.5,26,23.5,26,38.5,100

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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05-25-2015 08:12 PM  3 years agoPost 24
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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mcfast
You can not compare throttle curve to E models and nitro to a gasser totally different, if you do it like you say you will have way too much rpms most of the time, do it like I said, like this or close with govs or not.
Normal 0,12.5,15,17.5,20,25,50
ID1 60,37.5,23,21,23,37.5,60
ID2 100,38.5,26,23.5,26,38.5,100
gotcha

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05-25-2015 09:54 PM  3 years agoPost 25
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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mcfast
You can not compare throttle curve to E models and nitro to a gasser totally different, if you do it like you say you will have way too much rpms most of the time, do it like I said, like this or close with govs or not.
Normal 0,12.5,15,17.5,20,25,50
ID1 60,37.5,23,21,23,37.5,60
ID2 100,38.5,26,23.5,26,38.5,100
mc what head speeds will i see with these curves or should i see ?

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05-25-2015 10:27 PM  3 years agoPost 26
turboomni

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what head speeds will i see with these curves or should i see ?
That will depend on the engine ,the throttle linkage set up. Are you doing the Malorie mechanical setup for the throttle linkage? And your helicopter's gearing.
I would guess 1600 to 1700 since this a smaller heli . What size blades on this 600mm??

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05-25-2015 10:35 PM  3 years agoPost 27
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Are you doing the Malorie mechanical setup for the throttle linkage?
yes
That will depend on the engine ,the throttle linkage set up And your helicopter's gearing.
correct

so i should start off with these curves then check the hs with my tach and adjust if needed ?
Normal 0,12.5,15,17.5,20,25,50
ID1 60,37.5,23,21,23,37.5,60
ID2 100,38.5,26,23.5,26,38.5,100
and i think i see the concept in these curves why they have to be different the e models.

Maybe to prevent over speeding hs ?

thanks mcfast i think i understand

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05-25-2015 10:47 PM  3 years agoPost 28
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Those numbers are just examples that you would but in your radio, you may have to adj them to get the head speed you what,

If you do a Malorie mechanical setup for the throttle linkage the numbers in your radio are a lot more linear, just two different ways to get a consent head on a gasser heli.

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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05-25-2015 11:00 PM  3 years agoPost 29
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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mcfast
Those numbers are just examples that you would but in your radio, you may have to adj them to get the head speed you what,
If you do a Malorie mechanical setup for the throttle linkage the numbers in your radio are a lot more linear, just two different ways to get a consent head on a gasser heli.
i setup my thr linkage correctly before learning about the malone setup

but i did exactly as he did it was not hard to figure out after i ran into
problems with to much throw on the throttle because i had the linkage at the end of the throttle arm.

after that the rest was easy for me to figure out.

thank you

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05-26-2015 12:30 AM  3 years agoPost 30
mcfast

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Ya but the malone setup is totally different to a nitro set-up, it is a set-up for gasser hellis.

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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05-26-2015 01:14 AM  3 years agoPost 31
turboomni

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It is the Malorie setup. It was a woman that came up with this idea for gasser throttle setup. It was a brilliant idea!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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05-26-2015 03:32 AM  3 years agoPost 32
mcfast

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With the Malorie's Gasser Throttle setup it makes the numbers in your radio look a lot more like a nitro set-up, just a bit of tuning to get the head speed right, simple !

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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05-26-2015 06:10 AM  3 years agoPost 33
turboomni

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It is basically mechanical exponential....It also really helps a GOV deal with the throttle of a gas carb much better too.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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05-27-2015 02:16 AM  3 years agoPost 34
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Watch at YouTube

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05-27-2015 03:32 AM  3 years agoPost 35
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Man that could have been way worse !!! Good save . When it dosent feel right it probably ain't !

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05-27-2015 03:43 AM  3 years agoPost 36
mcfast

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You are a little rich, close both screw just a bit, good save on that tail !

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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05-27-2015 06:47 AM  3 years agoPost 37
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mcfast
You are a little rich, close both screw just a bit, good save on that tail !
thank you and will do.

we tacked the head hs @ 1800 rpm for normal motors new

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05-27-2015 08:17 AM  3 years agoPost 38
mcfast

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What is your max pitch ?

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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05-27-2015 01:31 PM  3 years agoPost 39
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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+10

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05-27-2015 05:01 PM  3 years agoPost 40
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Ok! that's good, now get the tail fix and go fly that nice gasser.

Did you have a look at my (MY GALLERY) you will see my gasser.

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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