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04-18-2015 10:42 PM  3 years agoPost 1
garyl

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Here is a sneak peak at my next project.

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04-19-2015 12:11 AM  3 years agoPost 2
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Super cool! I'm assuming that you're designing your own mechs also?
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04-19-2015 12:33 AM  3 years agoPost 3
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Yes everything will be scratch built on this one. Looking to make it 700 size, there are many challenges ahead to do this due to the very narrow fuselage.

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04-19-2015 12:45 AM  3 years agoPost 4
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There is a YouTube video of a helifest over in Europe that has one of those in it. Very cool for sure.

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04-19-2015 02:02 AM  3 years agoPost 5
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Cool. I'm thinking 2 sandwiched bevel gears, driven by one bevel gear pinion in the middle?
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04-20-2015 06:19 PM  3 years agoPost 6
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Barry, you will have to show me a sketch of that one, I don't think that will produce counter rotating shafts. The main shafts are at 25 degrees with very little room to work with. Keep the ideas coming

Some basic design criteria so far is as follows,
700mm blades
12mm main shafts 25 degrees opposed, counter rotating.
Non-ridged rotor heads, teetering type or very flexible blades. Can not have ridged rotor heads in a multi rotor helicopter.

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04-20-2015 06:47 PM  3 years agoPost 7
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Here is a three view with dimensions. If you scale everything to 1/8 there is really no room for proper designed mechanics. Then think of where that swash is going to go??? This will have to be a design the fuselage around the mechanics that will work approach.

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04-21-2015 02:23 AM  3 years agoPost 8
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Hi Gary, the drawings are looking good. What I meant by sandwiched is you would have 2 bevel main gears that faced each other (gear face to gear face, canted at 12.5 degrees for a total of 25 degrees. The pinion would run in between them (sandwiched), so as the pinion turned each gear would rotate in the opposite direction. The gears would naturally spin in opposite directions. The gears would only overlap at the pinion interface. The only thing is that I'm not sure if they make a bevel gear with a 12.5 degree gear face (25 degree included angle).
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04-22-2015 12:07 AM  3 years agoPost 9
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04-22-2015 01:25 AM  3 years agoPost 10
Mojave

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Similar concept, but the gears would have to face each other (stacked) with the pinion horizontal to the gear face. I'd have to draw it out to show you. I just don't think the correct pitch gears are available.
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04-22-2015 04:03 AM  3 years agoPost 11
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is it just me, or the animation on the link provided above show the outside gears rotating in the same direction?

i thought you needed the outside gears to rotate in different directions.

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04-22-2015 06:12 PM  3 years agoPost 12
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You would be correct the animation is not correct for this application.

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04-22-2015 06:31 PM  3 years agoPost 13
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there is a guy in germany that has a turbine model built of this.. I contacted him about mechanics once and he replied ...but was having "personal" issues at the time. If I can find the info I will post it.

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04-22-2015 06:39 PM  3 years agoPost 14
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04-22-2015 07:44 PM  3 years agoPost 15
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yep, that's the guy.. He hadn't made it available when I first emailed with him...

Home of the "Sea Cobra".....

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04-22-2015 09:34 PM  3 years agoPost 16
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Yeah, the flettner mechs are cool. He drives his with one central pinion, but must have a reversed set of gears in one of the transmissions, because with that set up, both driven gears drive in the same direction. I'm guessing that one of his transmissions uses an idler gear to change the direction of rotation. (EDIT) With this set up, all you need to do is make sure that the tooth count of the drive gear and driven gear in both transmissions are identical (meaning that both drive gears have the same tooth count and both driven gears have the same tooth count) and you won't change the gear ratio of the transmission that utilizes the idler gear. So one of the transmissions would have a 2 gear set up, the other would have a 3 gear (idler). This allows the one transmission to rotate in the opposite direction. The gear timing of the rotor heads is critical, or you'll end up with a pile of parts... Also note that in this set up that I have pictured, the gear to the far left is the pinion, the center gear is the idler and the gear on the right is the driven gear. The center gear is not the pinion. Here's an example:
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04-22-2015 11:18 PM  3 years agoPost 17
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Am I misunderstanding you? I can't figure out how a single stage idler gear contributes to gear ratio.

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04-23-2015 12:02 AM  3 years agoPost 18
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I stand corrected, the idler gear does not change the overall gear ratio. The tooth count of the drive and driven gears is what determines the gear ratio. In this case the pinion and main gear. The idler gear is just along for the ride. My apologies, I was typing faster than I was thinking... I'll edit that last post.
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04-23-2015 12:10 AM  3 years agoPost 19
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Thanks, you made my brain hurt

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04-23-2015 02:16 AM  3 years agoPost 20
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LOL, glad to be of service... I feel ya, I have way too much on my brain at the moment too.
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