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04-08-2015 01:34 PM  3 years agoPost 1
helicopterjeff

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I saw the review in the AMA magazine and was smitten. I haven't been excited in literally 20 years to get a new heli. 3 blades. No flybar. Cool! (I've been flying for over 20 years- all mechanical mixing- this is my first flybarless so forgive me if I sound like I'm venting...)

Epic FAIL.

The directions for setting up the onboard controller are bad. Worse, their wrong or I can't make sense of them. This thing wasn't even available in the USA when I ordered it. I ordered directly from TT and it arrived from over seas.

I went on to get the computer interface for it to see if that would make programming it easier. No such luck- easier yes. Crash after "default" setup, yes.

Can anyone give me any direction? Before I ruin another set of rotors I'd love to know if anyone has clear directions and maybe a configuration file for the controller.

I purchased the ARF version so it has everything but the DSM RX which I added and does work just find on the bench.

Spool up when perfectly then wham, roll to the right, scraped the crap out of the main rotors.

I'll post photos if needed so you can see the orientation of everything.

Thanks in advance. I hope to get this working before the weather clears up so I can enjoy this killer looking machine!!

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04-08-2015 04:44 PM  3 years agoPost 2
navyraptor

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Ive used the gt5 with good success,

i'll flying 3 blade with cgy750s

i would download the manual and read it well,

but here are some things i would check,
your mechanical phasing
electronic phasing called Virtual rotation in the gt5
sensor directions

Raptor G4N, Raptor E720, Raptor E700, Raptor 90SE, X50F, X50E, 14sg

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04-08-2015 05:31 PM  3 years agoPost 3
helicopterjeff

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I'll go over it all again. Since I've never done anything flybarless I don't know if my usual bench tests are valid.

When everything is "configured", should i be able to move all the cyclic servos from the transmitter normally on the bench?

Meaning roll left and the swash drops left or is this not correct in this situation?

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04-08-2015 06:23 PM  3 years agoPost 4
navyraptor

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yes on the bench the servos will move in the same directions as a flybar but differently (slower), as the gyros are looking for rotation.

Raptor G4N, Raptor E720, Raptor E700, Raptor 90SE, X50F, X50E, 14sg

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04-09-2015 12:34 AM  3 years agoPost 5
G.Stone

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Just so you know....It's not you.

The E550 ARF I bought was NOT set-up to fly. It's been awhile, but, I did have to do a full set-up to get it to work correctly. If I recall, the setting in the manual weren't even close. DON'T let this bother you.
All gyro's will end-up with small differences in the values used.

Patiently go through the entire set-up....and check it twice. Follow what you see happening and make setting accordingly.

This chopper is well worth the effort, but GT5 will try your patience. When you get it.. Rock Solid Very nice gyro

Hang in there.

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04-09-2015 08:16 PM  3 years agoPost 6
helicopterjeff

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Thanks! Any chance you can save your settings and post the file, I have the computer programmer in the hopes that it would make things easier. Field adjustments are one thing with the little swipe pad but from scratch is something else.

I'm going to go over it again this weekend and the problem is that I have no good starting point /reference as I've never done flybarless.

I have the GT5 unit on the side with the wires to the back. Is this the best way?

If the manual is off, and it clearly is, do you know of any resources I can look at for examples? I'm thinking of calling thunder tiger but I've never done that before. I've always had a hobby shop but where I live no hobby shop exists....cars and boats only.....

thanks!!

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04-11-2015 09:46 PM  3 years agoPost 7
G.Stone

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I don't have the computer link either, I did it with the touch pad.

Look at these vid's and I'll work with you as I can, (time allows)

The set-up is by the book, but, the values were sketchy.

It will work.

Watch at YouTube

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04-11-2015 09:54 PM  3 years agoPost 8
helicopterjeff

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Thanks for the follow up. I'll watch the videos. I have a bunch I found to have a look. I really like TT and have flown raptors since the very first nitro 30 came out with .... wood blades ....

I'll let you know how it goes.

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04-12-2015 02:53 AM  3 years agoPost 9
G.Stone

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I'll be curious.
Mine may need a new head. For no reason what-so-ever.

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04-12-2015 09:59 PM  3 years agoPost 10
helicopterjeff

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Well, you guys have made my year. I've had this beautiful helicopter hanging in the bedroom since december after a near death experience w/ the rotors and the ground.

Today as of 2pm est, I am happy to say, she flew. Flawlessly. Didn't even need to trim her.

The sound of 3 blades is incredible.

Thanks for the help and encouragement! ( flew with a 6S and 5S perfectly!)

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04-13-2015 09:14 AM  3 years agoPost 11
G.Stone

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+1

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05-05-2015 02:39 AM  3 years agoPost 12
dialarotor

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Fun to fly
Flying mine with 6S Turnigy Nanotech 5000ma, stock motor,Talon 90 and using a mini Kbar. Very nice flying heli. Sure wish they hadn't used FRP for canopy, very brittle, like flying an egg shell.
The traditional milk bottle plastic would have been more practical as you are removing canopy every flight to change battery, unlike the R30 or R50 nitros where you just fuel up and go flight after flight. Also with a big windshield you can keep an eye on the lights, sats and stuff.

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04-20-2016 07:06 PM  28 months agoPost 13
helicopterjeff

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Kind of Sad Situation
The main rx/gyro finally failed and died. TT said to send it back to their corporate HQ where they promptly lost it. I sent it priority international insured and they still claim they didn't get it.

After getting my insurance check i successfully converted My E550 to a flybar with all aftermarket aluminum head and tail and....wait for it...flawless. Even sounds cooler and the flights are longer.

Maybe I've been flying flybars for too long (20 years) but they're simple and work. I still have the three blade head and may try again with a different controller that you guys recommend but for now it's back to basics.

She's now just a really big version of the old TT Raptor 30...w/o all the nitro noise.

Since TT changed suppliers I can't get OEM parts so im hoping by next summer (2017) I can get some real OEM/distributor support on getting it back to three blades.

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05-27-2016 06:13 PM  27 months agoPost 14
helicopterjeff

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Die 3 Blades Die!
Got an after market head and tail setup and now she's offically a flybar flying bad ass. Not as impressive as a three blade, but sounds awsome, absolutely perfectly sharp response and none of the electronic issues I had.

Thanks for everyone's help. TT is really becoming a lost cause. I can't even find a standard flybar bar for this. TT isn't supplying anyone with anything any more.

On that note- anyone know the length and width of the flybar bar? I can get a machine shop to make more if needed but I need dimensions.

Thanks!!

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05-27-2016 11:48 PM  27 months agoPost 15
don s

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TT isn't supplying anyone with anything any more.
I respectfully disagree. There are plenty of posts up here detailing how to get stuff from TT.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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05-28-2016 12:40 AM  27 months agoPost 16
helicopterjeff

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I'll have to check the posts. None of the shops I've been to have any 50/E550 parts, even HRP has a lot of TT items out of stock. Heck, ebay didn't have but two flybars in the US and I bought them both. The rest were chinese aftermarket (no problem with them, just needed it sooner).

Didn't mean to imply that no parts can be gotten, they just seem really difficult to find domesticlly (USA). I found lots in the UK.

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05-28-2016 08:54 PM  26 months agoPost 17
don s

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Yeah, much of the US supply has evaporated. Taiwan, ebay (taiwan again), and the UK are the best bets.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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07-02-2016 07:28 AM  25 months agoPost 18
JerelZ

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I just bought the E550 3-blade FBL / converted to 2-bladed FB, heli from Jeff and hovered it in the back yard today. He's right about how it flies, very smooth, very quiet, except for that beautiful bad ass full scale like blade popping.

I'll try the 3-blade setup at some point down the road with maybe a Futaba 750, K-bar or Tarot ZYX. ....any opinions on what might be best?

Keep things as simple as possible...but no simpler.

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08-09-2016 09:31 PM  24 months agoPost 19
Daves

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Jeff,

I too have an E550, but I'm using a Futaba CGY750 gyro and stock 2 blade head. The model flies nicely nice and I'm really pleased with it. Like you, I just wish parts were more readily available stateside.

What you describe is a classic FBL "Rollover". Most of us who have flown flybars for many years have developed muscle/brain memory that tells us to move the cyclic stick slightly just before liftoff in order to get a smooth, straight up liftoff.

Unfortunately, that is NOT what you do with a FBL model. As soon as you input cyclic the FBL gyro starts to react and the more cyclic you put in, the more it reacts. The result - a rollover before ever clearing the ground.

While there may be other solutions, there are at least 2 that work.

#1 - "Pop" the helicopter off the ground and DON'T TOUCH THE CYCLIC until the helicopter clears the ground. After that, fly it as always.

#2 - Initialize a 2 position switch to engage Rate mode and Heading Hold. Switch to Rate mode for takeoff and then switch to Heading Hold for flying. Some guys also switch back to Rate mode before landing to avoid a "roll over" which once again results from our "learned" cyclic input for landing.

Maybe this will be of help to you.

-- dave --

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08-11-2016 04:12 PM  24 months agoPost 20
helicopterjeff

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the post above yours shows how nice it is old school. I don't know that i'll ever go flybarless unless I have a big hole in my pocket.

I've tried three bladed before when there were no gyros and they tend to wobble a lot. With the gyro I didn't have much problems getting it up but because the gyro literally failed mechanically (or electronically as it were) it makes me more and more nervous about giving up control to tiny ill conceived and more difficult to configure electronic devices.

I know they're going to fly differently. there's more mass on the head and more going on with the blades, yes there is no bell-hiller/flybar mixing going on and ideally it should be simpler by sadly my first experience was bad, like three sets of three blades bad.

If I do it again I will certainly go with Align or Goblin as they seem to have the best support and parts supply.

Thanks Daves!

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