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03-29-2015 04:02 PM  3 years agoPost 1
Jerry K

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I fly Vbar and I am waiting for the new Neo to come out and I can wait. I have 2 friends that could be in the market for a FBL unit that has the rescue feature now for learning from the ground up.

I see BD and Spirit mentioned. Any thoughts?

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03-29-2015 04:29 PM  3 years agoPost 2
waheed1998

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Vbar Neo, enough said.I would just wait.April May around the corner. Than you can give them guys all the help in the world because, its a flybarless system your familiar with

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03-29-2015 04:47 PM  3 years agoPost 3
Jerry K

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Good point

I am going to add a question about autobail(rescue) out. I have another friend that runs the HC which is now the BD (I think) and he added a sim like red switch under his palm because he felt hitting one of the switches on the top of the radio was too slow.

I remember when I was learning and the steeeeep curve I went through trying to learn to fly helis, I almost quit more than a few times. I am not under 40 which makes a big difference!!!

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03-29-2015 08:47 PM  3 years agoPost 4
Santiago P

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HeliCommand-Bavarian Demon unit with rescue (3SX) is been the reliable standard everyone else is been "trying" to emulate or catch up too for the last few years.

enough said? Nope

Ask anyone who had it for a while and you will hear the same thing, IT WORKS EVERY TIME.

FYI: a rear toggle switch is the ideal trigger for the rescue mode. In the end, the trigger switch choice is personal preference.

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03-29-2015 09:17 PM  3 years agoPost 5
ticedoff8

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Skookum SK-720.
Add the GPS unit and you have a complete "rescue" system.

However:
Personally, I think the whole concept of rescue mode / bail out is vastly over rated.
By the time you figure out you are in trouble, it is too late.

The last crash for me (due to pilot error) was 10 days ago.
Previous to that, it was about 12 months.
Both were due to me pushing my skill level and ending up in the wrong place in the wrong orientation.
But, I was trying to fly out of it.
I wasn't thinking "I wish I had bail out".

In that same time frame, I've had 2 servo failures (one swash and one tail rotor) and a tail rotor blow up.

Instead of minor damage and a moderately controller crash, it would have ended much worse as the FBL tried to figure out what to do with an unresponsive swash or tail.

I have been flying for a long, long time.
And, one of the first things I learned as to instinctively hit throttle hold when you think all is lost.

In both "pilot error" cases, I didn't hit throttle hold until a micro second before impact.
Crashing with the motor disabled avoided the chicken-dance or other major head / gear train damage.

If you start to lean on the "bail out" in place of throttle hold, then you are learning the wrong technique.

Most times, it is better to crash in a safe manner than risk a bail out attempt.

A mechanical failure followed by hitting bail out will still crash. But who know where or when it will crash.

If you are crashing too much during your initial training, you need a buddy box or a simulator. Not a bail out function.

That's just my opinion.

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03-29-2015 09:42 PM  3 years agoPost 6
Santiago P

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Most times, it is better to crash in a safe manner than risk a bail out attempt.
Most times? In your case, sure, but folks who seek the rescue option differ on their opinion.

I'm like you, and will try to fly out of the problem 9/10 times. However, there are several scenarios I cannot:

1. Lost situational awareness: either got too far or cannot see it due to back lighting, or lost orientation
2. Lost of tail control while not straight-level.

Rescue saved my Diabolo once on a grey-cloudy day on a very far turn around, and I lost orientation. I had plenty of time n altitude to pull rescue, catch the orientation and continue flying.
I have also tested it during an upside down, tail down, pirouette 5 ft off the deck, and the BD straighten the heli to upright w/o losing an inch during the flip.

Again, the application means something different for everyone, is significant for beginers, and less meaningful or irrelevant on veteran pilots.

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03-29-2015 09:49 PM  3 years agoPost 7
RGorham

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Rescue mode?

Come on, be a man and learn without cheating! (lol)

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03-29-2015 09:54 PM  3 years agoPost 8
Santiago P

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Cheating?

I tell you what's cheating: Having the coordination, sight, or smarts of a Robert Gorham, THAT"S CHEATING

LOL

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03-29-2015 10:32 PM  3 years agoPost 9
RGorham

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Haha!!!

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03-29-2015 10:35 PM  3 years agoPost 10
Rick_H

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RGorham

If you are flying flybarless you are already cheating.

Until someone fly's with a bailout system they really can't speak to it. It works really well for those times you are trying out a new maneuver you've practiced on the SIM but never quite had the nerve to try it for real. Now you can with a real ability to save your heli of you mess up. It is not 100% but it is a magnitude better then someone without a bail out option.

Rick

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03-29-2015 11:08 PM  3 years agoPost 11
RGorham

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Rick,

I began flying "flybarless" back in 1982 (without controllers of any kind) as you are probably aware.

I agree with you regarding the use of 3-axis gyros are already "cheating". I have programmed and used a "rescue" feature with a FBL controller to test and it works very well. I just don't use it. Not my bag of chips.

Just joshing you my friend......enjoy flying however you like to do it.

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03-29-2015 11:40 PM  3 years agoPost 12
Jerry K

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Thanks guys this is the same reason they make so many flavors of ice cream!

Who makes a FBL with auto rescue? I remember someone having a 10m hard deck. Did that not work or is it still around?

Of the 7 VBars that I have I am planning on buying one of the NEO's for my 'try something new' heli. I am hoping it will allow me to progress faster in trying new manuvers. I am aware it can become a crutch and if I find out I am relying on it to much I could always disable it. I am also waiting for the new VBC Tx to come out (I can't stand plastic)

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03-29-2015 11:49 PM  3 years agoPost 13
Jacoub

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Guys, I have a very bad story with my MSH brain, I tuned my bailout but when I was practicing piro flips then turn the bailout switch, my 700 is boooooooom, I was 20 M above, but the msh brain didn't help.

Also my Goblin 500 is gone because when I hit set level bottom the heli wasn't 100% level, it ends up titling the swash to the right and my 500 is also gone.

what is the best all around FBL, for 3D, tic tocs and rescue???

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03-30-2015 12:47 AM  3 years agoPost 14
bladechopper

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As car as u Know bd3sx is the way to go. It always work

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03-30-2015 12:54 AM  3 years agoPost 15
Retired2011

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I can only surmise that Rick_H doesn't know who RGorham is!

I'll probably try the Vbar rescue because everything else they do just works, but the BD3SX cost me one heli...no more!

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03-30-2015 01:17 AM  3 years agoPost 16
Jim Cimino

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I say the BV 3sx, tried and true and works everytime, even climbs a bit. Great for working on new maneuvers for us guys who can't fly like RGorham...yet. 😉

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03-30-2015 01:37 AM  3 years agoPost 17
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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I always wanted a realflight red button
Now I can buy the neo and save my Heli sure it won't get used often but if I fly into the sun n loose orientation I can hit the red button n move till I can work with it. I'm gonna have to use same switch as my t hold just bc I trained my brain to go there so that will have to do n I ll use t hold in front of that n d rates will go onto front switch panel as i do with my glider.

I like where it's going bring on the new. I want to see swept tip blades

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03-30-2015 02:46 PM  3 years agoPost 18
artimus

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It only has to work once to be worth it.....by the way isnt using a modern radio cheating.....all the mixing and gains and swash mixing stuff....is the only way not to cheat is to go back to reed radio? Is using a key to start your car cheating.....could just hand crank it over to start it.

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03-30-2015 10:02 PM  3 years agoPost 19
Rick_H

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Retired2011

Why would you surmise that I don't know who he is? He's an old fart who learned how to fly the old way without any simulators or any of this new fancy electronic junk that takes all the hard earned skill out of it and allows anyone to fly these days. He thinks everyone should learn to fly like he did that way less hobby shops will have to shutdown.

Of course he fly's better than most of us out here.

That pretty much sums it up doesn't it RGorham.

Rick

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03-30-2015 10:34 PM  3 years agoPost 20
bladechopper

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Guys, imho: this a hobby. Cheating? Well, if playing it safe and having a nice bailout feature to save money on a crash. Hell yeah!!! Im the biggest cheater in the world. I don't care. I think the word cheating is just too strong For a hobby? Then we all are cheateRs cause we are buying arf's kits?

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