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03-28-2015 04:41 PM  3 years agoPost 21
RM3

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the issue of having to support older models forever is what kills a company in this type of market.

to stay competive a company must inovate and keep the customers comming... and they want the latest and greatest.

you dont still walk around with a brick phone do you?

Example, If Apple didnt have a new product every 6 months they would not be the giant they are now... same for Align when it comes to helis. yeah they change crap on every model, and most of the time the dsign change has no effect on flight performance, but its the idea that its newer that attracts new customers.

Its the new customers that keep your company alive.... not those that buy replacement parts once in a blue moon.

Now come up with a heli that always needs replacement parts and you end up at the other end of the spectrum ie Century.

Look at what happened to MA... yeah they were known for good helis and product support for thier oldest... but it was not until they Came out with the Whiplash (a new design) that customers were opening thier wallets just to be on a preorder list.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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03-29-2015 04:01 AM  3 years agoPost 22
vfinohio

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Look at what happened to MA... yeah they were known for good helis and product support for thier oldest... but it was not until they Came out with the Whiplash (a new design) that customers were opening thier wallets just to be on a preorder list.
Yes but clearly just coming out with a new model won't make a company either. Yes MA came out with the Whiplash and yes there were preorders but the company still went under within a year or two.

I still think there is room to support some of the old models and come up with something new but how do you innovate and stand out with the current breed of flybarless models?

While we are the consumer and don't have to come up with the ideas, do you or anyone else have any cool ideas for them?

Whatever they make in the future I think inexpensive replacement parts are obviously a must these days.

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03-29-2015 05:55 AM  3 years agoPost 23
corey11

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Unfortunately you can't compete with china. If you come out with a great design it's copied and sold for less....MA saw the writing on the wall and got out when they could.

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03-29-2015 07:14 AM  3 years agoPost 24
RM3

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very true. I tried to have some of my designs made here in the states and the cost was astronomical, even for a quantity order for a simple design. over seas, the cost is 1/10th what it is here, but they dont deal with small amounts.

Now MA did not just go under cause of over seas competition by what I can recall, there were other issues like divorce settlements and general "done with the BS" that went on by what I have read over the year.

The cool ideas? well thats simple... when I call for help, have someone that speaks clean english that knows the product because they actually fly it... kinda like Rons Helicopters. they did that before, do that again

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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04-03-2015 03:41 AM  3 years agoPost 25
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I'm betting they will come out with a whole new line, and wont make parts for past helis, there are just too many parts to build up stock to do that
I'm glad they're back
don't get to excited to early, it most likely will be a year or more before you see any parts

Jim
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04-03-2015 03:59 AM  3 years agoPost 26
turboomni

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If they were smart they would first produce parts that are in high demand like gears first of all. Then the main shafts and feathering shafts and work up from there. There is still a vast warehouse of min air parts ,,it's called ebay and the warehouse is the USA. They should perfect the whiplash not build a new one. The heli market I fear is closing down,,too complicated for plug and play folks and too complicated for plug and play folks to spend any time for them to practice and get better,,they prefer a reset button. Today it is all about instant gratification but unfortunately that means if it is too hard or complicated ,,throw it away or sell it and move on to the next thing that is sure to float their boat. Repeat as needed.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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04-03-2015 04:09 AM  3 years agoPost 27
turboomni

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One of the great things about Min Air is that one part many times can be used perfectly on many other of their helis made in the past unlike some other brands,,especially from you know where. And the quality was always very high. If there was a problem you didnt have to call Asia or send it to Asia or talk to a middle man and argue with him in the US making lots of money from the product that could care less about,,, because he had nothing to do with the product or is just padding his wallet ,,shall I go on????

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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04-03-2015 07:32 AM  3 years agoPost 28
RM3

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I'm sorta on the fence about the Whiplash when it comes to bringing it back as it was or improving it. Whatever improvements they make need to be bolt on compatible with the last version they sold... at least till they get back on thier feet.

I wonder if they will have the market penetration they did before or are they facing an uphill battle?

cause they sure as hell ticked off alot of people by going belly up after a hot whiplash party. If I had purchased $2000 worth of whiplash 30 days before they croaked, I'm not so sure I would be so fast to pull the trigger on a model from them for a while.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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04-03-2015 12:06 PM  3 years agoPost 29
banshee rider

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RM3
I'm sorta on the fence about the Whiplash when it comes to bringing it back as it was or improving it. Whatever improvements they make need to be bolt on compatible with the last version they sold... at least till they get back on thier feet.
I wonder if they will have the market penetration they did before or are they facing an uphill battle?
cause they sure as hell ticked off alot of people by going belly up after a hot whiplash party. If I had purchased $2000 worth of whiplash 30 days before they croaked, I'm not so sure I would be so fast to pull the trigger on a model from them for a while.
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Why would the actions of the old owners
Have any bearing on purchasing from the new owners who are not even located in the same country

Unless they have hired the old management
I don't see any connection

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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04-03-2015 03:47 PM  3 years agoPost 30
Santiago P

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Keep supporting main spares the older models

XCell
XCell Pro
Fury Extreme
F Tempest
Stratus
and ALL THE GASSERS

S

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04-03-2015 04:46 PM  3 years agoPost 31
RM3

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its about perception and relational experience. "Under New Management" does not always translate to success. Old customers will not flood the store like Walmart on black Friday.

I agree that it will be a while before we see anything... and what that anything is, well thats anybodys guess at this point.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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04-03-2015 04:52 PM  3 years agoPost 32
ICUR1-2

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It's all in how they market and support their stuff that will determine their success, I wish them good luck

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04-03-2015 06:47 PM  3 years agoPost 33
jharkin

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The heli market I fear is closing down,,too complicated for plug and play folks and too complicated for plug and play folks to spend any time for them to practice and get better,,they prefer a reset button.
I dont think so... Shrinking and consolidating maybe, but it wont go away altogether.

As complex as they are, building a heli kit is a snap in terms of time commitment compared to a large wooden fixed wing r/c aircraft, and there are still many companies making a living selling airplane kits.

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04-03-2015 07:20 PM  3 years agoPost 34
turboomni

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The heli market I fear is closing down,,too complicated for plug and play folks and too complicated for plug and play folks to spend any time for them to practice and get better,,they prefer a reset button.
I dont think so... Shrinking and consolidating maybe, but it wont go away altogether.
I never thought it would go away but yes consolidating is a good word.
As complex as they are, building a heli kit is a snap in terms of time commitment compared to a large wooden fixed wing r/c aircraft, and there are still many companies making a living selling airplane kits.
I agree a heli is like an old erector set,,it's the setup of all the systems that really baffles many. An airplane is much easier overall. But like anything else it is a matter of how good a setup you expect. I used to build large [for the time] airplane kits in the 80's. It takes time but when I dabbled in pattern flying it took almost as long to set up all the incidences of all the flying surfaces including the engine in the attempt to have the perfect airplane. Taking off on it's maiden and requiring no trim would bring a smile to my face!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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04-05-2015 04:48 PM  3 years agoPost 35
IYKIST

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This is random but as far as possible ideas, is there any benefit or detriment to an e-heli with the motor oriented horizontally instead of vertically? Not sure if there is any benefit but don't recall ever seeing one. Any thoughts?
Vario helicopter have some electric helicopters designed this way.

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04-05-2015 09:59 PM  3 years agoPost 36
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I only date back to 2006' with RC helicopters. When I arrived from carpet racing 1/10th scale indoor cars, the only product I recognized was MA, and or XCELL helicopters. Preferably the IONX-2 electric.

I don't think anybody but a select few around here really appreciate or want to buy or even fly a XCELL 99SE anymore. In regards " I think they are fascinating machines today.

I think the new company needs a brand new look, with a brand new line in which contains a 3D model, a FAI model branded from the 3D model, and a logical Sport model for everyone to fly.

That's my 2 cents.

Brian

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04-06-2015 12:24 AM  3 years agoPost 37
Hexperience

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How many heli's was ma producing before they went under? I'm very new to ma and have really only seen the whiplash series. I love my whiplash gasser and was resigned to the fact I would have to live without parts support. If they do make parts that's great, if nothing comes of it, I'm no worse off than I was before the new owners took over.

Fingers are crossed but I think I'll still have to source my own OWB if I want to be flying this summer.

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04-07-2015 04:35 AM  3 years agoPost 38
Santiago P

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How many heli's was ma producing before they went under? I'm very new to ma and have really only seen the whiplash series.
Whiplash is all they had before they folded.

Before that, they had 20+ years of leading the industry with top notch machines.
LATELY, newer and average folks gravitated to cheap, cheap, and then cheap oferings, and other companies rised to the challenge, and succeded.

I cannot see the new MA emerging like a phoenix from ashes. But I can see them wisely focus on the legacy costumers that chose to fly the older line. That's my 2 cents.

S

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04-07-2015 04:59 AM  3 years agoPost 39
corey11

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I can see them making high end kits like they did before and supporting past models.

If they don't do that, why would you buy a brand that went out of business just to bring it back and use there name? Why not just start your own brand? I have high hopes of support once again.

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04-07-2015 05:41 AM  3 years agoPost 40
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I can see them making high end kits like they did before and supporting past models.
well you would have to ask how many older models are actually still flying, and what ones,, they are going to need a whole lot of parts to keep them up in the air
they had 20+ years of leading the industry with top notch machines
oh please, there have been and still are other brands out there that are just as well made, and some made better

Jim
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