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03-20-2015 02:39 AM  3 years agoPost 1
vfinohio

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IF the new Miniature Aircraft were to read this and IF they were to listen, What suggestions or ideas would you have for them?

Since I have some older kits, I would of course ask for some parts support for older kits.

Second would be a reasonable flybarless conversion for older kits. The previous $300 flybarless head that still required other parts and modifying the mainshaft was not an option for me. Molded blade grips and a machined washout and links to fit to existing mechanics/headblocks doesn't seem too hard a request.

What are your thoughts???

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03-20-2015 02:47 AM  3 years agoPost 2
jbjones

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Very good question. I would hope they would continue to support the older models, as MinAir's of previous incarnations have. I'd love to keep my Tempests flying, and even maybe try to repair one of the Stratus'.

I'd like to see a reasonable Whiplash fix. Maybe the $100 bearing is the fix, but perhaps that whole idea needs another look. I don't know, I'm willing to accept whatever the new company's stance is.

I'm glad they're back, and are talking about producing parts. That, right there, is positive. We didn't have that this time last year, so let's take it one step at a time.

-JB

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03-20-2015 08:13 AM  3 years agoPost 3
tadawson

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Exactly! Don't become yet another bunch of electrotarded lemmings - support (and develop) for all power systems, and support the classic models that defined the brand - Extreme, Tempest, Stratus, etc!

- Tim

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03-21-2015 11:15 PM  3 years agoPost 4
TomC

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It would be very useful for the new MA owners to simply state what their company's mission statement is and how they intend to proceed with it. Without this basic information it is pretty hard for any of us MA owners to suggest anything to them. Right now, the best thing they can do is properly communicate how/where/when they plan to take MA.

Based on the very limited information to date it looks to me like this is just a mom and pop shop that will simply make a profit selling high demand spare parts for current models. Hope I'm wrong!

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TomC

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03-22-2015 12:56 AM  3 years agoPost 5
jbjones

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Hey Tom,

I think, if you read their post in the "news" sub-forum, you'll see exactly what you're asking for.
First step will be to establisch the ability to deliver the most significant spare parts you need.
This is a lot of work and will take some time. We´ll keep you informed about our time schedule.
In a first step we will re-launch a (minimal) MA website with more informations for you.
-JB

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03-22-2015 01:19 AM  3 years agoPost 6
TomC

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Ya, thanks JB. Just high demand spares for now.

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03-22-2015 02:36 AM  3 years agoPost 7
turboomni

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Ya, thanks JB. Just high demand spares for now.
Just that would be great news for now.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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03-22-2015 05:04 AM  3 years agoPost 8
vfinohio

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Without this basic information it is pretty hard for any of us MA owners to suggest anything to them. Right now, the best thing they can do is properly communicate how/where/when they plan to take MA.
I realize that it is ultimately up to the new owners to decide a direction for the new MA. My thought was to have some suggestions or ideas that might help them and us.
First step will be to establisch the ability to deliver the most significant spare parts you need.
I was glad to read the part about making spare parts but given the number of different models over the years, I was thinking some input from those of us with MA machines might be able to give them an idea of what parts for which models might be more in demand. For example I have a Stratus as well as a stacked frame graphite. Whiplash parts don't help me as much but I'm just one guy. Maybe if a lot of owners of a particular model spoke up then they would start there.

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03-22-2015 06:37 AM  3 years agoPost 9
RM3

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I honestly dont think its in thier best interest to support older models... doing so is to pour money into product that may sit there for months or even years... Look at Rons...he had stuff there for years, some of it is still there.

I would tell them to simplify thier designs and continue with the whiplash line... for both the current Whiplash and a version 2 that is simpler and deals with the clutch issues and fuel tank location on the gasser, or just redesign it all together. the electric and nitro are good as they are.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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03-22-2015 01:58 PM  3 years agoPost 10
vfinohio

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I honestly dont think its in thier best interest to support older models... doing so is to pour money into product that may sit there for months or even years...
I actually agree with you to some extent. These days it seems to be innovate or die. The tough part is helicopter design these days is that it seems to be more about the electronics so finding a niche is harder. Flybarless has made mechanical design stagnant. I remember with ccpm it was always about trying to find the perfect mechanical setup and there were new designs and discussion about perfecting those designs. Now its just three servos with direct linkages. Probably good for the person flying in terms of setup and parts but harder for the manufacturer to stand out.

That being said part of my reason for the post was to show support FOR producing parts. I think in the short term there is a market for parts but longterm they'll need something new that we'll all want to buy.

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03-23-2015 07:03 PM  3 years agoPost 11
Hexperience

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"What would you tell the new MA?"

THANK YOU.

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03-23-2015 07:16 PM  3 years agoPost 12
xcellgasman101

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"What would you tell the new MA?"

THANK YOU.
Post of the Day,, Thank You!! is the correct answer!!! XGM/VGM

John Crotts
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03-23-2015 07:50 PM  3 years agoPost 13
RM3

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as far as thier gasser...

I would say go with a wide cogged belt for the engine to main rotor... flip the engine upside down and put the belt on the bottom along with the clutch (like airstar did) but make it more compact so as to brng the CG up closer to the rotor.
I think the longish driveline of stacked components, engine + fan + hub + clutch + bell + pinion causes issues with alignment and therefore leads to vibration.
somebody PLEASE put the dang fuel tank as close as possible under the main shaft and not on a pylon at the nose. It screws up the CG performace of a FBL system.
stick with the direct to swash setup...
please dont use those tiny 3mm button head screws, they always strip at the hex end...
use torx
bring the component count down!
use some sort of vibration dampening mounts.

if your using a bunch of thin flat washers thoughout the heli as shims and spacers, especially on the shafts... the design is flawed.

minimize how many different types of bearings/sizes you use... 10 different bearing sizes is a PITA...

same goes for the fasteners... 5 different sizes, and 20 different lengths each means you didnt care to make the design efficent.

just a few ideas...

ok rant over.. sorry

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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03-24-2015 04:17 AM  3 years agoPost 14
yammillion

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I would just like see m.a. just get up and going so we can get back to flying the helicopter that we love to fly

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03-25-2015 07:23 PM  3 years agoPost 15
vfinohio

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This is random but as far as possible ideas, is there any benefit or detriment to an e-heli with the motor oriented horizontally instead of vertically? Not sure if there is any benefit but don't recall ever seeing one. Any thoughts?

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03-25-2015 07:37 PM  3 years agoPost 16
RM3

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its all about clean design... its cheaper to cut straight gears rather than bevel gears and i think that bevel gears will need alot more support to keep them from slipping off under high torque loads. since nearly all main gears are plastic, the large diameter and slim "thickness" would allow the gear to deflect too much away from the motor pinion. This is why you see this only on tail drives where the bevel portion is closer to the center of the main gear where it has more support.

when it comes to helis, simpler is better IMHO.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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03-26-2015 01:12 PM  3 years agoPost 17
Hexperience

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I wonder if they will address the one way bearing issue in the whiplash gasser. That's the only "complaint" I have. I've been waiting to buy the replacement 422m version but it's pretty expensive in my part of the world. If they find and sell a good bearing at a better price it would get me in the air again.

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03-28-2015 07:21 AM  3 years agoPost 18
corey11

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If they don't support there past models like MA did until there demise, I will never buy another MA aircraft.

Why should I buy a product from a company that went out of business only to come back and go in a completely different direction and just keep the MA name? That does not give me any faith they will be around for the long haul. When I find a brand I stick with it because I believe they are the best. That includes design, flight characteristics, and support. MA was the best at the time. I love my fury extreme. I have enough parts for about one more crash. If the support isn't there, then I may have to go to another company. And no one is a clear winner for me yet.

I have hope MA will be what it once was.

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03-28-2015 09:20 AM  3 years agoPost 19
wjvail

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I've been flying MA since the beginning and would really like to keep flying the models I've got. Crashing is always a possibility with any model and parts will wear out over time. I'd like to fly my Tempests without worrying about a cracked skid or stripped tail gear resulting in the retirement of the heli.

Beyond that, in regards to producing new kits, the wish list is long.

Bill

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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03-28-2015 03:16 PM  3 years agoPost 20
vfinohio

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Beyond that, in regards to producing new kits, the wish list is long.
Any interest in mentioning some of the things on your wish list? Ok either way just curious.

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