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03-19-2015 09:48 PM  3 years agoPost 1
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http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=82225

March 19–The Federal Aviation Administration today issued an experimental airworthiness certificate to an Amazon Logistics, Inc. unmanned aircraft (UAS) design that the company will use for research and development and crew training. The FAA typically issues experimental certificates to manufacturers and technology developers to operate a UAS that does not have a type certificate.

Under the provisions of the certificate, all flight operations must be conducted at 400 feet or below during daylight hours in visual meteorological conditions. The UAS must always remain within visual line-of-sight of the pilot and observer. The pilot actually flying the aircraft must have at least a private pilot’s certificate and current medical certification.

The certificate also requires Amazon to provide monthly data to the FAA. The company must report the number of flights conducted, pilot duty time per flight, unusual hardware or software malfunctions, any deviations from air traffic controllers’ instructions, and any unintended loss of communication links. The FAA includes these reporting requirements in all UAS experimental airworthiness certificates.

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03-19-2015 10:01 PM  3 years agoPost 2
whoamis

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Cool. What's really amazing is that you spotted this news before I heard about it.. :-)

thx for posting.

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03-19-2015 11:33 PM  3 years agoPost 3
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It's about time.

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03-20-2015 01:36 AM  3 years agoPost 4
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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Man they are gonna take over the same day delivery service

hell I just place order yesterday to place in Massachusetts selected 2 day priority. They dropped yesterday night to USPS 618pm. usps didn't bother to sorting till today at 6 (24hrs) so guess sch del time ?? Should be wed thur del fri nope it's sat they suck

ordered pkg last wk from Virginia 2 day USPS they flew my pkg to Michigan vs up trucking it up 95 to Philly ?? Huh so it got trucked threw Ohio through pa took 4 days with the storm last week ??

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03-20-2015 02:42 AM  3 years agoPost 5
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The UAS must always remain within visual line-of-sight of the pilot and observer.
explain to me how in the Heli they plan on using them if they have to remain in LOS?... they gonna post pilots ontop of radio towers with binos ?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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03-20-2015 06:40 AM  3 years agoPost 6
whoamis

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I believe somebody noted there was more than one country in the world. And also, things have been known to change over time.

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03-20-2015 09:29 AM  3 years agoPost 7
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No way this is economically viable. Consider it. They'd have to dedicate a round trip sortie to each place of delivery. A round trip just to get you your package. And that's AFTER all the costs of getting it to a local distribution center.

Meanwhile, a UPS truck can deliver ALL the packages to a neighborhood for maybe a gallon of gas.

So, 1 UPS truck getting 10 miles to the gallon, or a hundred drones each putting a cycle on a lipo. I suppose the answer to that could be gas drones, but then the associated noise pollution is going to cause a lot of skeet shooting.

Do you really think this is viable to get a package 20 minutes sooner?

And if it's raining, oh well put it on the truck.

I still think it's a gimmick. They'll do it on a limited basis at loss to continue their campaign. Or some stupid folks will pay an extra $10 to have it delivered by drone just to impress their friends.

Hey, actually, knowing society, this might actually be viable after all. There are plenty of people willing to pay $10 extra to do that which is exalted among men. YaylookatmydroneselfiearentIcool?

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03-20-2015 09:44 AM  3 years agoPost 8
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explain to me how in the Heli they plan on using them if they have to remain in LOS?... they gonna post pilots ontop of radio towers with binos ?
The permit is for further testing.
Before,it was illegal to fly one for any reason commercially.
Now they can move forward with R&D while reporting to the FAA.
When they have a viable package(no pun intended)they will apply for a license that extends beyond LOS and into complete autonomy.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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03-20-2015 09:46 AM  3 years agoPost 9
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And everyone is still assuming they are looking to use little 550mm drones.

Their plans may include drones that can carry the same payload as the UPS trucks.

We are just a couple years away from completely autonomous commercial flights. Jet airliners.

You know where the=is will start? Cargo transport. Fedex,UPS and yes,Amazon.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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03-20-2015 09:47 AM  3 years agoPost 10
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Ever felt the wind from a full size helo? Where would they land?

I think their plan is to ride a current wave of interest in new tech as advertisement. When the interest wanes, the reality of the expense and viability will cause them to move on to whatever the next interest bubble/shiny object is.

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03-20-2015 09:50 AM  3 years agoPost 11
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Ever felt the wind from a full size helo?
Lots and lots of times. Even while dangling from a rope under one

They will take off and land from /at their distribution hubs. Where smaller aircraft will pick up the packages for final delivery to another isolated area where a human can take the package walking distance to it's destination.

I'm not seeing them landing in backyards to deliver.
I see them used to move the package quickly and in a straight line very close to where it needs to be.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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03-20-2015 09:50 AM  3 years agoPost 12
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LOL can you imagine that in your suburb?

"Sign here,"

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03-20-2015 09:53 AM  3 years agoPost 13
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See my edit^^^^

I literally never use the word literally right.

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03-20-2015 09:58 AM  3 years agoPost 14
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I'm still not seeing viability there if you have to have personnel on the ground in many locations to do final distribution. That would be hugely costly and having that type of decentralization goes against most distribution design.

It could be fast but will it be as fast and cost-effective over traditional airplane/truck methods? I have my doubts.

Anyway, it'll be fun to watch but I still see ad campaign in all this.

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03-20-2015 10:04 AM  3 years agoPost 15
McKrackin

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Autonomous aircraft transport and delivery is the future.
There's no stopping it. No denying it.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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03-20-2015 10:06 AM  3 years agoPost 16
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And they haven't said what it will cost.
An overnight or same day delivery can already cost $100 or so.

This might be $300 and people will pay it.
There doesn't need to be a huge fleet to make money.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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03-20-2015 10:14 AM  3 years agoPost 17
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I won't deny unmanned cargo flights. That's easy to see. Unmanned passenger flights will take much longer and there will always be a monitor of some type aboard. I see them going from two pilots to one, soon.

So I don't doubt UPS/FEDEX jets will one day be unmanned. But that could still mean traditional distribution from the airport henceforth.

It's from there that ground based methods seem to make sense. Flight is expensive.

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03-20-2015 11:04 AM  3 years agoPost 18
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In the future, we will all have iDelivery-ports on our roofs. iFlyAmazon will deliver directly to the roof and my neighbors cannot steal the package... Win Win.

I am building mine now. Is your iHouse iFlyAmazon compatible?

If iApple has trademarked the terms used above iAppologize to the evil iTaskmaster.

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03-20-2015 12:45 PM  3 years agoPost 19
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Can they just drop it down the iChimney? We can even have eight tiny iReindeer.

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03-20-2015 07:44 PM  3 years agoPost 20
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Aaron29, I can't make the tight argument that it will all work out, but your calculation about the gallon of gas forgot that there's a person in the truck.

Amazon just announced 1-hr delivery (for far less than $100) in its 2nd and 3rd cities, so the goal doesn't have to include landing in areas you can cover with bicycles, couriers, etc.

I do see holes in most scenarios I envision, but if you read about Amazon's fulfillment systems (The Everything Store) you'll see they pull off the impossible, routinely. This isn't (solely) a PR campaign. Some of the smartest folks I've ever met are working on this.

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