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03-17-2015 01:07 AM  3 years agoPost 1
darrelluh1b

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It is past time to get this ball rolling. We will Start on Sunday August 2 with the pilot meeting/dinner starting at 7 o'clock. Where we will get to catch up with old friends and meet the fresh meat that will be in sport scale class and team scale class.

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03-17-2015 05:23 AM  3 years agoPost 2
Copter Doctor

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Awsome, dates are on my calendar and vacation time submitted

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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03-17-2015 12:54 PM  3 years agoPost 3
ssmith512

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Hope to be there as a spectator and "student of the craft".

Steve

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03-17-2015 01:49 PM  3 years agoPost 4
Grimracer

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Yee HAW............

Ok.. this is good news. The ball is rolling and IF I can make it this year I will.

Life has a strange way of tossing you a curve from time to time. Lots of life changes in store for the old Grimracer in 2015.

IF you make it to the NATs you will NOT BE disappointed. It’s a GREAT event and lots of fun with good people. Win lose or draw you’re going to LEARN.. that’s the best part!

Grimracer

Michael J Zaborowski

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03-17-2015 02:59 PM  3 years agoPost 5
Keygrigger

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Hi Darrell and Mike. I plan to be there and I am getting things ready as we chat here. Steve, there is no point in driving to Muncie and not bringing one of your helicopters with you. There is lots of help available and the experience is well worth the travel there. It is on my must attend list from now on. Bring a 3-view drawing of your helicopter and join in Sportsman. See you there.

Don

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03-17-2015 03:44 PM  3 years agoPost 6
ssmith512

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Question on 3-view drawings required for Sport Scale. Is something like this OK.....

Or is a 3 view color copy of the ACTUAL full size version of the helicopter that the model is replicating required?

I ask because my Cobra "looks" like a Cobra, but the paint scheme/markings do not replicate an actual full size heli that existed. It is simply my "fantasy version" of a Cobra. Would I be docked points because of that? (not that I care really, if I compete I would be there simply for the fun of it and not worrying about how many points I am earning or loosing. Just wondering).

Thanks.

Steve

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03-17-2015 10:25 PM  3 years agoPost 7
Grimracer

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I can help..

The 3 view is nothing more then an outline. If it was me I would not add the color to the 3 view. If you show something that is not on your heli it "could" get judjed even though its not the intent. Why show a dime when a nickel will do!

Better yet.. provide a picture of the real heli that inspired yours. Let the judges know just that!

If you go to last years NATS post you can see a version of my Decleration page with 3 view.. its easy to do.

PLEASE join in!.. Don is dead right.. ya dont have to be good at this,.. but you BETTER be ready to learn and have a GREAT TIME!

Grimracer

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03-17-2015 11:02 PM  3 years agoPost 8
Keygrigger

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Steve:

That 3-view drawing should do the trick. As long as it is of the main variety of your build, then you should be good to go. You will also need a Builder of the Model declaration and that is available from here. http://www.nasascale.org/pdfs/NASA-bom-doc.pdf For documentation, you don't need anything more in Sportsman but if you plan to build one (maybe your next machine?) that will be a scale representation of an actual helicopter, then you will need pictures, pictures, pictures, and did I mention pictures? HOWEVER, the pictures must be of the actual helicopter you are displaying to the judges. No taking something that is exactly like it and representing it as the one your model is based on. You would need to show the registration numbers in at least a few of your pictures and have the details highlighted from that series of pictures. I am on the learning curve of documents as well but one thing that I have learned is that you really need to be able to back up your model's details with pictures of the original. Maybe someone with lots of document experience might add something that I missed or got wrong??

Don

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03-18-2015 12:14 AM  3 years agoPost 9
payne1967

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here's an example of a 3 plan drawing

www.alcesterhelicopterclub.bmfa.org

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03-18-2015 01:02 AM  3 years agoPost 10
ssmith512

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Thanks friends!

Gotta see if I can get the time off work, and if I can get my Cobra that has never flown, flying and sorted out by Aug 2 and if I can get some practice in before Aug 2, maybe I will come and have some fun getting schooled.

It's only a 40 minute drive for me from my house to the AMA site, so I dont really have an excuse, do I!

Steve

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03-18-2015 01:37 AM  3 years agoPost 11
Grimracer

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Don,

In sport scale you do not NEED to model the heli after a "real" subject. that's not the intent of this class.

The idea IS to provide a 3 view. Declare what you did to the heli..

Model a cool looking heli, Buy it, steal it, BUILT IT.. does not matter.. add rivets, add paint.. the more you do the more you will impress the judges. do nothing to a plane old Funkey fuse and go OUT FLY EM.. we don't care..

2 blades on a 5 blade machine.. you can do it.. BUT.. the more you add the more you are going to be able to tell the judges how hard you worked and how much fun that was.

Think of this class as a EVERY MANS class and not just the master builder. IF you are a master builder you can bring one too. Just please, for the future and heath of the class PLEASE.. refrain from entering you 518 machine. That IS NOT the intent of the class.

Darrell.. correct me if I am wrong!

Grim

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03-18-2015 03:43 AM  3 years agoPost 12
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Hi Mike:

I think that what I wrote might have overlapped itself and caused some confusion. Steve has his Cobra and that is what he would plan to enter in Sportsman WHEN he comes as it is a fantasy paint scheme and can't be found anywhere. However, I know he is planning a large Vario build and that is why I was talking about the full picture thing for documentation. I know it is not needed in Sportsman Class. I hope I got that fixed as I don't want to confuse things. I see your point about providing just the line drawing and to not have it coloured as it can impart a distraction to the model if it is a different colour than the model. Good point.

Last year, I was the one that really got things messed up. I brought no documents for my entry in IRCHA as I had mixed up the Nationals and IRCHA. I now have my 518 entry for IRCHA and the Nationals. I will have my other helicopter for my Sportsman entry in the Nationals. I will only have the 3-view for the Sportsman entry at the Nationals. Have you started that Bell 412?

Don

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03-18-2015 12:48 PM  3 years agoPost 13
Grimracer

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Sorry Don.. lol.. it was a rough day for me yesterday...lol

Don has it dead on.. Mr, Smith please join us!

The 412 is in storage and awaits a new shop/house (we are moving).

I like everything Vario offers for that machine but will or might design a new tail up gear set and tail box gear set. (I will not lose this machine to a tail gear failure and Its the number one failure I see from them. (two of them last year at IRCHA)

Grim

Michael J Zaborowski

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03-18-2015 01:55 PM  3 years agoPost 14
ssmith512

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Mr, Smith please join us!
Would really like to!! Just found out that I might have some scheduling conflicts though. Gottna see what we can work out.

Thanks!

Steve

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03-18-2015 05:04 PM  3 years agoPost 15
darrelluh1b

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To keep it as simple as possible we need to start with the class that you have a question about.
This is a quick break down of the classes.

AMA 518
*Rules at AMA
*Declaration page
*Full Docs
*Builder of the model rule
*Score 50% static 50% flying

Team Scale
*Same as AMA 518 only change builder and pilot not the same

Sport Scale
* Declaration page
*3 view drawing
*Score 33% static 66% flying

IRCHA Scale (August 7-8)
*Relaxed AMA 518 rules
*Winners from AMA 518 are invited to be Judges for IRCHA event

Hope this helps

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03-18-2015 11:08 PM  3 years agoPost 16
Keygrigger

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Darrell:

What information, aside from your signature of being the builder, should I include on that declaration? Is there anything else that should be there? I know you have a few minutes to describe the model to the judges but is that usually enough? Thanks.

Don

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03-19-2015 01:29 AM  3 years agoPost 17
Grimracer

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Don, Darrell can tell you better but.

The deck is about the introduction, type, power system, what not and logistically tie you to the build. The picture and build pics are even more important (we are talking 518 here.

you will have a book when you are done.

As for Sport Scale.. the deck introduces your model to the judges and you can list lots of cool things you did, whats it powered with, what radio, stuff like that is fine.

The rest is verbally communicated.

Here is mine from last year (this is the heli I lost just days before the contest) "Sport Scale"
Grim

Michael J Zaborowski

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03-19-2015 02:55 AM  3 years agoPost 18
Robert "Full" Montee

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Can't wait to see you all again at NATS. Was great to see scale flying!!

Robert "Full" Montee | Team Synergy | Team Futaba

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03-19-2015 01:37 PM  3 years agoPost 19
Grimracer

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Robert.. I hope you have been practicing your F3C flying.. "the smooth!"

If I can make it we will have to plan anohter start gazing night.. the stars are banging bright at the AMA sight!

LETS FLY SCALE!

Grimracer

Michael J Zaborowski

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03-19-2015 02:17 PM  3 years agoPost 20
Keygrigger

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Grim:

You bring up a point. You mentioned build pictures in the "Deck" so my question is, where do they fit into 518? I didn't think pictures of the helicopter were allowed anywhere in the documentation?

Don

PS: Montee, Lily and I will see you there. I have no idea where to find you there but you know where we will be hanging out. Take care.

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