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03-10-2015 09:44 PM  3 years agoPost 1
Roamer

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Gents,

I have an 72MHz 12Z and I am looking at getting into sbus for assorted reasons. Doing that would also require going with the 2.4GHz module (TM-14 I think).

The problem I have is it appears the 14SGH transmitter is only $600 for the transmitter and a receiver. I know the 12Z is an older radio, but it was definitely a higher end radio in it's day. How does it compare to the 14SG? After getting used to the functionality of the 12Z, will I end up regretting the 14SG?

Has anyone made this upgrade and regretted it? Other thoughts?

Thanks!

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03-10-2015 09:45 PM  3 years agoPost 2
hawk3319

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IMHO: 14sg

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03-10-2015 11:05 PM  3 years agoPost 3
Andy from Sandy

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Just having a quick flick through the 12Z manual I would say if you fly planes and use the kind of functionality it offers you will need to keep it.

On the other hand the 14SG has telemetry built in and other neat stuff for s-bus support.

You might want to have a look at the manuals here and decide what you will lose on the one hand and gain on the other.

http://www.futaba-rc.com/downloads/manuals.html

I have a 14SG and for helicopters it is a very good radio. The touch wheel on mine doesn't work reliably but I get by.

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03-10-2015 11:40 PM  3 years agoPost 4
ssmith512

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14SG all the way. Much better latency, much better battery life, easier programming (IMO), better ergonomics (IMO), backlit screen, telemetry, Fasttest protocol capable, etc.

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03-11-2015 02:06 AM  3 years agoPost 5
DougV

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The 12Z is a better build radio compared to the 14SG.
Much better gimbals and more powerful software, No telemetry on the 12Z, but the 14SG has the lowest latency and backlit screen.

If it was me, I’ll go for the 14SG as well.

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03-11-2015 02:49 AM  3 years agoPost 6
hyflyr

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I have a 14mz and bought a 14sg as a replacement. I was disappointed in the 14sg and sold it. The 12MZ is the same radio as the 14 just no color display. The only reason I was looking to replace the 14mz was the power consumption. The 12z is not a power hog like a 14mz so the only advantage the 14sg has is the telemetry. The flexibility of the 12z is far superior to the 14sg. The 14sg is a decent mid range radio and provides most functions needed but is not in the caliber of the 12MZ or 14MZ. Once you hold and fly the 14sg you will quickly feel the difference in quality.

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03-11-2015 05:34 AM  3 years agoPost 7
don s

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10CG maybe? Not enough channels?

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03-11-2015 05:16 PM  3 years agoPost 8
Roamer

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I was mainly looking at the 14SG as it supported all the assorted formats including telemetry. I would LOVE to be able to keep track of battery voltage and head temperature in flight.

I think hyflyr and DougV hit the nail on the head and that was pretty much what I was concerned about. I suspect upgrading my 12Z for the time being makes more sense, then biting the bullet when I can afford it and buy the 18MZ (or it's replacement if I take too long!).

Thanks for the feedback gents!

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03-11-2015 08:44 PM  3 years agoPost 9
A&J

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12Z do not feel like a plastic toy

I doubt if you will exceed its programming

The only bad thing its Discontinued BUT still repairable

12Z 12Z 12Z

Lets do the time warp againnn !

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03-12-2015 05:19 PM  3 years agoPost 10
knightofcarnage

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Yes the 14SG feels a lot cheaper then 12z but lots of advantage on 14g. Like FHSS, less latency , software upgrades and sensors. I wish there futaba would release a radio in between 18mz and 14sg.

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03-12-2015 10:00 PM  3 years agoPost 11
Roamer

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Exactly! The 18MZ is a bad ass radio, but it is way more than I want or need. But the 14SG doesn't quite get there. Maybe a 15 or 16 channel radio with 70% of the bells and whistles of the 18MZ?

-RRRoamer

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03-13-2015 03:16 PM  3 years agoPost 12
kcordell

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What do you need from the 14SG that it doesn't have??

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03-13-2015 06:37 PM  3 years agoPost 13
pilot232

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Acro Flight conditions!!

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03-13-2015 11:49 PM  3 years agoPost 14
hyflyr

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If remember correctly it didn't have per flight mode AFR, per flight mode mixes. Most were just global per model. The 12Z is per flight mode mixes and completely logic enabled within the flight mode. Most don't use the advanced capabilities but once one starts tuning for specific scenarios the basic radios just don't cut it. The average pilot is just not using stick position afr switching and other exotic stuff the high end radios have. The 14SG is a nice radio for its price point. But it is low end in the mechanical design and only mid range software. Futaba needs something between its flagship 18MZ $3000 and the 14SG at $600. If they were smart they would come out with a unit that was built with high end parts and just license features to be able to offer only what one needs. Maybe an 18MZ with base license and then let the user pay for features they want.

Scott

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03-14-2015 02:02 AM  3 years agoPost 15
fastrc1

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The 14SG has more than you ever need. 12Z cannot do telemetry or sfhss fhss and a few other things that are too numerous to mention. I sold my power hungry 14MZ to replace it with an SG and it's the best thing I ever did.

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03-14-2015 02:36 AM  3 years agoPost 16
DougV

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Acro Flight conditions!!
That's it? You can probably do 98% of what you need with rates, or use glider mode (to me Glider mode is advance Acro anyway)it works really good and don't worry, your airplane can't tell the difference.

Doug

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05-31-2015 01:28 AM  3 years agoPost 17
Gazza

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I know this is an older post but I changed my 12 Z to 2.4 5 years ago and never looked back , although I only fly helicopters with it , this radio is great , I just wish Futaba continued the software updates to keep up with todays technology ..I carry 2 batteries for TX and still get many flights without charging ...
I believe the 12 Z has every programming feature needed for Helicopters but no telemetry and S-bus programming or SFHSS it even has 3 axis gyro programming , there are features on this TX that I would never use and I'm sure that Your average pilot wouldn't either ...

Gazza...

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05-31-2015 01:44 AM  3 years agoPost 18
fastrc1

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S bus makes things a little more streamlined but it allows for some incredible things to be done especially with airplanes and scale but I'd hold on to that 12 channel until it explodes. @ this stage with the new SZ on the horizon I'd wait n see what the true differences between SZ and the SG are, other than the touch screen but either way; I don't think you'll do bad with either one of them when you're ready to make a move.

Eaton

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05-31-2015 06:22 PM  3 years agoPost 19
Kevin Dalrymple

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If you don't think the 14sg has enough bells and whistles wait for the new 18sz. It will be chePer than the current 18 and will not have every feature but will be better then the 14sg now.

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05-31-2015 07:11 PM  3 years agoPost 20
Ace Dude

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Here's the 18SZ thread:

https://rc.runryder.com/t787879p1/

  

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