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03-10-2015 11:55 PM  3 years agoPost 81
esmoglo

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There are so many variables it’s hard to pinpoint what’s exactly happening. However for LHS whose shelves were littered with Helis and now don’t carry anything except for a few (just few BNF units) says allot. I for one have shifted my focus to FPV because I got over 3D. I have been actively spending more on my initial purchases however I spend less over time. Quads (drones) or whatever you like calling them require less upkeep, ESC’s fry less, no servos needed, no high cost carbon blades or canopy’s, battery costs are not has high because you don’t need high C rated packs. Also with FPV, quads, drones no need to go the field and wait in line to fly. I haven’t flown at my local AMA filed for over a year and a half, I will admit my AMA has lapsed this year haven’t renewed.

With my helis I would usually spend $500 on custom canopy’s, spend quite a bit on blades, and rebuilds now all of this is a thing of the past. I have kept only one 700E size heli & on BNF 180CFX that I have yet to tune to my likening.

Fly what you enjoy flying that’s the point after all.

Ugly can be fixed stupid is forever!

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03-11-2015 01:25 AM  3 years agoPost 82
jimmymc2286

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Boys and Girls, Ladies and Gentlemen, the hobby is not dying. It is just making an adjustment to the economey. It is not the first time or will it be the last time. For those of you that have been in this for over 30 years you have seen this more then once.
Helicopters are the hardest to fly, cost the most, and have the least numbers in the hobby. That makes this the first to decline and the last to rebound. Planks are also on the decline. A lot of the plank fliers are changing from top of the line planes to the foamies. Rather then drive 20 or more miles to the field they are driving to an open field close and flying more then they ever have.
The young kids here have not lost interest in flying models. Their parents have no interest in paying 2 to 3 hundred to by them a plane or heli to fly. When I told them I could get them in the air for under a hundred, all of a sudden the kids are going to learn to fly planes this spring. I have 6 kids already and hope to get more.
The hobby is not dying, only the number of people that can or will spend the large sum of money it takes to fly our high end toys. If you don't believe me just go the Flite Test and take a look at the vidio of their first fun fly. It is not a bunch of old grayhair men flying, but a bunch of kids and young adults teaching them.

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

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03-11-2015 01:47 AM  3 years agoPost 83
Trexwilly

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I don't think Helis are going to be phased out, I think they have a very solid niche' It is just going to stay small, and most likely get smaller in the future.

But I know that the "hay days" are gone.

Quads, FPV, 3D, racing, doesn't matter, they are pulling the uninitiated, where coax and fixed pitch used to get them.

Manufactures have seen the draw, and are filling the demand.

People wanna fly, and flying a helicopter takes skill and dedication.

Even flying a UMX takes the same, so People look for the path of least resistance and a RTF quad is just that.

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03-11-2015 01:52 AM  3 years agoPost 84
GREYEAGLE

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I Miss the taste of COX Fuel and all them little paper cutt's and then when the drop fling's off the fill tube and GEt's YA : RIGHT IN THe EYE

Then you got to spin in a circle with one eye open before you fall down laughing. Then get up - look around too see if you can find enough rubber band's to put the wing back on.

Just blame the brown spot's on the Neighbor's dog !

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03-11-2015 02:34 AM  3 years agoPost 85
cyclo

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I don't think Helis are going to be phased out, I think they have a very solid niche' It is just going to stay small, and most likely get smaller in the future.

But I know that the "hay days" are gone.

Quads, FPV, 3D, racing, doesn't matter, they are pulling the uninitiated, where coax and fixed pitch used to get them.

Manufactures have seen the draw, and are filling the demand.

People wanna fly, and flying a helicopter takes skill and dedication.

Even flying a UMX takes the same, so People look for the path of least resistance and a RTF quad is just that.
+1. Good point. However I think multis can serve as a gateway drug to flying helis. After all that's what happened to me. Flew an ARDrone for a few months then got bored. Somehow I got curious about helis so I decided to get an mQX mini quad to learn how to use a proper TX. That was followed by an mCPX and the rest is history.

The key is to encourage the "drone" guys to try helis and not alienate them.

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03-11-2015 04:36 AM  3 years agoPost 86
Einzelganger

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The key is to encourage the "drone" guys to try helis and not alienate them.
+1
cyclo, I love your term gateway drug.

IMHO
They will get bored eventually. Having once tasted the "gateway drug" of controlled flight, they will come sniffing around our mainstream birds with a lot of questions. That will be the point that our hobby rebounds, or we turn our noses up and watch numbers drop further. Opportunity knocks.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

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03-11-2015 05:18 AM  3 years agoPost 87
ICUR1-2

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"gateway drug" Cute I like it
Unfortunately they are hiding all over the place except for the clubs, How do we get them interested in spending more ?
I have only been around for 8 years any ideas ?

spending time, paying attention

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03-11-2015 06:39 PM  3 years agoPost 88
vinnielopez

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It is declining in general spoke to some guys that I know have been in the hobby with heli's and planes and they are all getting rid of all their gear. There's no local support for parts and yes you can order but that can take a week sometimes to get parts. One guy admits to now owning a multirotor but uses it every once in a while and never goes to the fields or clubs to fly. The older guys that like to build well I can tell you that building is not cost effective as far as planes. Take a trainer kit at around $89.00 start adding monokote at $15.99 a roll on average. Say you need 3 rolls for a basic trainer nothing flashy that's almost another $50.00 for monokote that's not including glue etc. That's the reason kits are gone why pay $250.00 to build a trainer when you can get one in ARF form for $139.00. Of course I'm not talking warbirds like Ziroli or Vailliancourt planes those must be built. The economy is not really an excuse because people are flocking to buy expensive drones. I just think people are losing interest time is occupied by other things that truthfully may be more important. I love the hobby but if given a choice I would rather go fishing with my son or daughter or just spend time with them. That there is a decline yes it is definitely declining and multirotors won't fix that. Perhaps going back to simpler aircrafts would help. By the way not knocking flybarless I'm sure it is a great flying experience but it is more expensive and perhaps took a lot of people out of the hobby that are not great at doing stuff on the computer etc to program these units. Maybe its great for the younger flyers but not so great for everybody else. I think we should have kept FB heli's around as well so there was an option

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03-11-2015 06:45 PM  3 years agoPost 89
vinnielopez

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And I have no problem flying foamies close to home either in fact I want one because there is a large field right behind my house .

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03-11-2015 07:22 PM  3 years agoPost 90
ICUR1-2

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By the way not knocking flybarless I'm sure it is a great flying experience but it is more expensive and perhaps took a lot of people out of the hobby that are not great at doing stuff on the computer etc to program these units.
A FBL unit cost is about 250$, Compared to buying a receiver and a gyro it might be about 50$ more to start.
Replacing the flybar and paddles after 1 crash evens things out.
Myself I find the programing easier to do 1 time than replacing and setting up a flybar repeatedly.

spending time, paying attention

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03-11-2015 07:38 PM  3 years agoPost 91
vinnielopez

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You may be right I can't say to be honest I've never done it. Just seems complicated. Maybe it's not

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03-11-2015 09:17 PM  3 years agoPost 92
utahbob

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not too bad
The biggest beef I had about going fbl was the thought of having to buy a laptop pc and be fooling around on it at the field..when I would rather be flying; I set my model up at home; went out and flew it..and it flew good; I tweeked it when I got home; it flew a little better--and made the rest of the changes in my radio to get it to perform the way I wanted..no need to take a pc to the field.

I do a great decending funnel!

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03-11-2015 11:57 PM  3 years agoPost 93
Santiago P

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I Miss the taste of COX Fuel and all them little paper cutt's and then when the drop fling's off the fill tube and GEt's YA : RIGHT IN THe EYE

Then you got to spin in a circle with one eye open before you fall down laughing. Then get up - look around too see if you can find enough rubber band's to put the wing back on.
Funny I miss that stuff too. Luckily I have enough Cox engines found in gutters, bunch of balsa, and string to make all that happen, IF I want to.

Overall, this is the saddest thread I ever read, very depressing. I rather continue what I am doing, mentoring, and teaching new modelers, young or old. I am having a blast, fly as much as ever and enjoy the new heli technology, as well as a couple antique helis, and planks.
Every once in while, I feel the need to spin in circles with a glow powered, noise making engine.

I cannot imagine why would someone spend hours, on Facebook, or tweeting, instagram or whatever social crap comes next. (new generation, right :rolleyes

I guess,
We are the new dinosours.
If so, I am going down making a dinosour dinosaur size racket.

Out of my way tweet-ers

sorry bout the lousy spelling

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03-12-2015 12:13 AM  3 years agoPost 94
Einzelganger

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I guess,
We are the new dinosours.
If so, I am going down making a dinosour size racket.
Out of my way tweet-ers
Enjoyed your post Santiago!
The most optimistic yet!

Remember gang, It's never too late to have a happy second childhood!

Wayne

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RIP Roman

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03-12-2015 12:31 AM  3 years agoPost 95
utahbob

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I should get back on topic
I really think there are more folks flying Rc than ever..you can't go by what's in hobby stores; when I moved out here 15 yrs. ago there was only one guy here in town flying heli's and the local planker club was most unanimously against having helis flown at their airfield; for the last 3 yrs. the club has had Kyle Dahl and Ben Storick here for their annual funfly and there are quite a few more heli pilots and probably alot more flying the small models who will get bigger models in the future; anyway you really should put your Raptor together and get outdoors and enjoy the freedom of the sky..no red lights; nobody tellin ya how fast you can go or what you can or can't do while you're up there! That will never change

I do a great decending funnel!

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03-12-2015 01:27 AM  3 years agoPost 96
rpat

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I may have started this thread with the downer of saying it's going in the gutter, BUT I am with Santiago. I love to fly any thing rc and will continue to do so until I see the Lord, and hope that some one puts a heli or plane in the casket with me when I go.
I don't care really how the hobby is going as long as I can fly to my hearts content.

I LOVE THIS HOBBY.

trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2

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03-12-2015 02:04 AM  3 years agoPost 97
es1co2bar3

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Most new sticknut want to be the Rock Hudson of flying
As soon as they can take off without the aid of a buddy box and that isn't happening, so they bolt leaving the golden age pilot who's getting tire and weary and can't find the time for some stick time.

I don't see much activity at my field which was once dominant with heli now it all plankers.

The super starz] are the one in the news and they are not sharing the cake they're too busy promoting
and making a name for themselves,

So my take, the topic starter is or might be Rights

The heli world need new innovator + motivator

ask any of the super startz a question and see how long they take to reply if they even do, but not all of them is like this.

This is what killing the Heli_Hobbiest]

That's what I see so Far.
hope that some one puts a heli or plane in the casket with me when I go. 
and you want to be the 1st ghost that seen the Wrapture aren't it

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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03-13-2015 02:34 PM  3 years agoPost 98
GREYEAGLE

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Don't want to do the work - to make the money - to buy the product - to learn - to enjoy the effort. All they know is hand out ----buy the game.

Mom and dad sooner or later dry's up the $$$ and the person see's absolutely no benefit of work or ownership or sense of self accomplishment. Some one will do it for me.

Sooner or Later they default in debt. The what follows ??

It started when they eliminated the word Thank You - The EASY PLAN

Never learned Delight of Effort

greyeagle

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03-13-2015 03:57 PM  3 years agoPost 99
cjpainten

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^ I'm with this guy lol.

I am 28 and work 60+ hours a week driving a tractor trailer. Most of my peers are still living at home mooching off their parents and are completely useless.

About the decline of the hobby,
When I got into helis (beginning of 2013) it seemed to be on the rise. Since then I have definitely noticed a drop in interest. I attribute this mainly to the multirotors. I figure at least 60% of this hobby came from mall helis. Nowadays quads are all the rage so people are buying these from the mall and getting interested, and moving up to the higher end UAV stuff, whereas I got into the mall helis, started looking at the hobby grade stuff, and got into 3D. Yes there will be some who move on to helis. But the bulk of the people will probably get bored of the quads eventually and just get out of the RC hobby all together

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03-13-2015 04:06 PM  3 years agoPost 100
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One observation I've made - at least a perception - which I also wonder if is a factor here....

I see alot of younger (than me, LOL) guys who fly hard, and consume a lot in the process...high dollar electronics, the latest of everything...and...traveling to a lot of events....seemingly with little responsibilities. I have seen this most prevalent in the factory rep circles. Reps I've met can't afford the time or cost of what they are doing, but continue anyway. Is it credit card debt? Cost be damned?

I don't know about others here perceive this...but how sustainable is that?

I've been with my current employer for 27 years in manufacturing engineering. I make a very comfortable salary and have about 6 weeks of paid vacation a year, with flexibility to take it when I want to. I've lived in the Midwest my whole life, and not in bigger cities....so my cost of living is moderate. I have two kids, one who's graduating HS, and a 7th grader 13 year old son. I neither afford the time to fly so much as many, nor the the discretionary income that it takes to buy so much of the stuff I see the younger guys buying. I don't get it. I guess if you're not planning for kids' education to make sure they are self-sufficient, nor retirement funds so I can continue to be self-sufficient, then I too could afford to overspend on this hobby.

We might have crested the saturation point in helis at this time, will see it level off to a more normal level for a while.

Rob

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