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01-25-2015 10:24 PM  3 years agoPost 1
AgentOrange

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First off I dont want to start a E versus N debates as we have all heard enough of that crap. This is only an example but why is it that a person selling a Trex 700N V2 or DFC cant barley get 5-6 hundred dollars for a RTF machine and an E version of the same setup minus power plant is pulling in around 9 -1200 for their machine. To me is a crock of crap. I am so sick of these dang electrics stealing all the glory. End rant. Your opinion here.

Trying not to put them in the dirt.

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01-25-2015 10:40 PM  3 years agoPost 2
don s

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They are?

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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01-25-2015 11:00 PM  3 years agoPost 3
helitom

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I've got $300 ready for a rtf 700N V2 or DFC.

The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.

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01-25-2015 11:06 PM  3 years agoPost 4
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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I might be me but think that's what lighting the fire under his arse, low ball offers on his rtf nitro 700 but if I m not mistaken the f ing. 90 size motor costs 3-400$ ??? Yet let alone the frame ??

Trex600n,Trex500,MR25,MikadoLoGo5003d/KDE,Goblin 380XNova,CastleCreations,Ys,JR XG8,Tags Mini XBus Dmss//FAA# FA3NYC9TAP

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01-25-2015 11:07 PM  3 years agoPost 5
utahbob

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St. George Utah

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still lovin it
Just put 4 flights on my 4-5 yr.old 700n fb model yesterday! Still a blast..I think availability of nitro fuel is the biggest problem; shops just don't stock it; the mfg's gotta find a better way to distribute.

I do a great decending funnel!

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01-25-2015 11:23 PM  3 years agoPost 6
jackp332

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I have never seen a Trex700n on here RTF for that price. Is that what people are offering you that's got your glow plug heated?

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01-26-2015 12:03 AM  3 years agoPost 7
Rudy

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I have never cared what any of my stuff would sell for used. The simple reason I dont sell off my stuff used. I use it until it dies or pass it on to family members.

Rudy Ackerman Houston TX/Bend OR

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01-26-2015 12:36 AM  3 years agoPost 8
jbjones

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Columbus, Mississippi

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utahbob: I think availability of nitro fuel is the biggest problem; shops just don't stock it
I don't think this is a valid argument any longer.

Magnum will ship to your door. Does VP work directly with modelers/clubs? Byron has come on here and said that if you can't get it, they'll work with you (Hell, I've been a Byron dealer for 5 years and I don't own a hobby shop).

"Availability" is just lazy-talk.

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01-26-2015 12:36 AM  3 years agoPost 9
AgentOrange

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Ok may not 3-4 hundred. That was a little exaggerated. But 5-6 range is better. What my point is there is a huge margin of difference in the nitro machines versus electric machines with basically the same setups. Just want to know what the justification is. Is it just because its electric I can add hundreds more the price.

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01-26-2015 12:42 AM  3 years agoPost 10
Retired2011

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Demand sets the price in any business...deal with it!

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01-26-2015 01:35 AM  3 years agoPost 11
Rob43

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The fuel aspect has been beat to death too. Not many agree on the problems or solutions. I can get fuel at my LHS who's about 1/2 hour away. Can also travel to Toledo Show in April and buy all it takes for the season. But this isn't the case for everyone. For that matter, not nearly the majority of fliers who DO have fuel available CHOOSE to fly nitro. Thus the lower prices on nitro airframes and RTF's.

Rob

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01-26-2015 01:47 AM  3 years agoPost 12
AgentOrange

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Maybe I dont want to deal with it. I believe there are people out there that think the same way. I know in this hobby along any other hobbies you never get what you put into them . I can agree to a point about demand offsets price but it just seems lately that the same helis that started this hobby many years ago are being ostracized by the electric wave. It almost seems like the electric guys could almost get a 80 percent or better return on there investment and Nitro guys are struggling to get even a 50 Percent return. Just saying some might disagree but its the real truth.

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01-26-2015 01:49 AM  3 years agoPost 13
philip 01

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Market always dictates values.

It is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

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01-26-2015 02:07 AM  3 years agoPost 14
Heli143

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Last year I had a guy offer me a RTF Align 700 for $450.

I kept thinking it had to be stolen so I walked away.

Roy Mayoral

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01-26-2015 02:35 AM  3 years agoPost 15
don s

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Chesapeake, VA

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Last year I had a guy offer me a RTF Align 700 for $450.

I kept thinking it had to be stolen so I walked away.
Or chock full o' gremlins

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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01-26-2015 07:23 PM  3 years agoPost 16
utahbob

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St. George Utah

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the "E" generation
I guess we gotta face it..alot of new pilots gettin in who grew up on all electronic device fun..don't want to learn how to tune an engine; troubleshoot fuel delivery and all that goes with it..they be missing out though!

I do a great decending funnel!

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01-26-2015 09:49 PM  3 years agoPost 17
KnifeEdge51

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Tempe, AZ - USA

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For me, it's all about travel time. I have a field 15 minutes away where we can fly 700+ sized machines without issue. The closest AMA field where nitro/gas can be flown is about 40 minutes away. To me, it's an easy choice. I have nitro (and a few diesel) 1/2A and A sized engines I fool around with, but without having any models built for them, there's really no reason for me to travel so far. The extended flight times and low up-front cost of fuel would definitely be nice (larger sized batteries really do eat up the ol' bank account!), but the cost in gas for the car and travel time would pretty much make it a bust move, perhaps even costing me more in the long run. If we ever move closer to the AMA field, perhaps I'll change my mind, but right now electrics just make more sense.

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01-26-2015 10:01 PM  3 years agoPost 18
BobOD

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There's another point to consider. Most people who fly Nitro tend to keep their helis for a long time versus a lot of people will go through multiple e models a season.
The constant buzz of everyone wanting something newer, better keeps the frenzy going. And everyone wants to sell for a high price so they can afford the next attempt at satisfaction.

By contrast, Nitros are so well perfected that people will be happy with them for a long time to come. When they finally get bored of a model, they'll just dump it cheap as they feel they have gotten the value out of it, and then make the next long term investment.

It's simply a different mindset typical of expensive toys versus expensive machines.

Team POP Secret

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01-27-2015 12:09 AM  3 years agoPost 19
jackp332

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Interesting Bob, I never thought of it that way. I can't speak to the electric side as I do not own any, but I love my fuel helis and am very attached to each one. I have owned most for a few years now and would have a very difficult time parting with any. I almost feel they get better with time- perhaps it is the the time spent perfecting the setups, I don't really know. Also, I can tell the difference between each one when I see, smell, and hear them run. Each one is unique- even if it is the same model of engine.

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01-27-2015 12:38 AM  3 years agoPost 20
Retired2011

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Maybe I dont want to deal with it.
Whether you want to deal with it or not doesn't really matter...you don't get to choose!

It always turns into an E verses N conversation...

Fly, and buy, what you like guys!

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