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01-20-2015 06:19 AM  3 years agoPost 1
EEngineer

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Every time I crash it embarrassing...with any aircraft..

When I crash, I know it's my fault.

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01-20-2015 06:36 AM  3 years agoPost 2
EEngineer

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With a SIM, use it to crash....

Ya gonna by a Nick Max...or Kyle D....in a day?

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01-20-2015 06:53 AM  3 years agoPost 3
tyfast27

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I crashed my old 700N Saturday.... Brand new 105, hatori pipe, new blades and not to mention it was flying perfect! Made me wanna cry. Had two perfect days of flying I had to sit by and watch. I'm still sick to my stomach

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01-20-2015 08:28 AM  3 years agoPost 4
EEngineer

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I feel for you...

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01-20-2015 09:44 AM  3 years agoPost 5
HeliHov

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I take it very personal if I crash. I just dont like it and try to avoid it at all costs. I practice and practice on the sim. Doing so it lets me know what I`m capable of so when it comes to real flying I stick within those parameters. I have pushed things a couple of times and have had my share of crashes though. Then comes the mechanical failure part of crashing that is a bite in the ass too. I try to avoid mechanical failures just by keeping up on good maintainance and giving thigs a good check over.

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01-20-2015 09:49 AM  3 years agoPost 6
HeliHov

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I crashed my old 700N Saturday
I'm still sick to my stomach
Sorry about the crash, I know the feeling.

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01-20-2015 10:11 AM  3 years agoPost 7
Richardmid1

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If you want to improve your flying and learn new moves you simply have to crash!

All the Pro's have crashed far more than we have!

You cannot let it get to you, it will hinder your progress.

If it's cost, fly a cheaper/smaller with cheaper blades.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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01-20-2015 11:37 AM  3 years agoPost 8
captor03

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I've been in the hobby for over 20 years, and I understand it's going to happen. The first thing I say to myself when I crash is " Now I have to put this thing back together"!

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01-20-2015 12:45 PM  3 years agoPost 9
meowguy

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I have used each crash as a learning experience and taken the opportunity to upgrade various parts in the rebuild. You can spend hours on the simulator, but until you actually do the maneuver on a real heli, you simply don't realize everything you didn't know.

The worst possible crash is one where you don't even have the helicopter anymore. I lost my 700 in the woods last summer and it has still not been found. Nothing to rebuild, just take home the foam blade holder. Sucks.

"Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground." J. Taylor

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01-20-2015 01:03 PM  3 years agoPost 10
wrongler

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No badge of honor......just a notch in the wallet!

Bill Whittaker

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01-20-2015 01:07 PM  3 years agoPost 11
Retired2011

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I love building/rebuilding, but I still hate the crashing part...

Definitely no Badge of Honor...more like a Badge of Horror!

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01-20-2015 01:09 PM  3 years agoPost 12
G-Limo

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I love building/rebuilding
So why wait till you crash - just disassemble!

(call it maintenance)

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01-20-2015 01:24 PM  3 years agoPost 13
Retired2011

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I have done that

Another solution is to buy another heli...
I have one arriving today as a matter of fact.

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01-20-2015 02:05 PM  3 years agoPost 14
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I lived in fear of crashing and that held back my advancement , but now with the sim I have more confidence and ability when I fly. I'm ready for summer !!

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01-20-2015 04:10 PM  3 years agoPost 15
JasonJ

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It isn't a badge of honor and you don't have to crash to progress. Try stuff on the sim. Try it in real life up high, get good at it and bring it down low if that's what you want to do. Doing stuff down low that you aren't good at and crashing teaches nothing. Sometimes no matter how awesome you are stuff happens and you crash. Best to just accept it and move on but don't delude yourself or others by thinking it was teaching you something. It isn't. It's just a crash. I can't think of a single crash that was a teaching moment. Instead it just highlighted a bad choice or exposed a mechanical issue.

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01-20-2015 04:50 PM  3 years agoPost 16
MattJen

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Agree with above post.
I don't subscribe to the theory if you ain't crashing you ain't progressing...
I used to see many hot doggers turn up to the field with the so called latest manoeuvre mastered on the sim.
It was at this point I put on my hard hat and goggles and sat in my car ready to watch the carnage.
After the accident which happened 9 out of 10 times. I would re emerge from my car go out with my machine and show them how to hover properly over a cone in all angles.. then go off and show how to do a proper aero with precision and accuracy having never learnt on a sim.
It was then the usual chat "how do fly so smooth and accurate?"

To which I would I go out and spray a 1 meter circle and say hold your hellie nose in within that circle. Then do all the angles slowly.
Once u mastered that in front of you will have better chances of controlling it further away...
I give the guy his credit he did it despite finding it boring at first. But he went on to do very well cos he mastered his angles in hover both upright and inverted.

In my 14 yrs I have had 4 crashes 2 of which were last year...

When it cones to 3d moves. Break them up into smaller parts, master each part then join them together... you will reduce your crashes considerably... that was how I learnt some of the F3C moves.
Just an idea I have always done when teaching.. everyone has their own style of learning, this is my way of teaching newbies.

matt

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01-20-2015 04:59 PM  3 years agoPost 17
N2587N

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It is ok to crash
The less You fear the crash the better You will fly, There is NO shame in crashing , I have flown with some very good pilots , bert bobby nick rob cherry matt and others , crashing is just part of pushing your limits . the more You sim the easier it will be to improve .

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01-20-2015 05:56 PM  3 years agoPost 18
Aaron29

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Why is crashing such a "badge of honor"?
It isn't.

Any bravado shown by the person who crashed is just a defense mechanism against feeling stupid or inferior.

Fact is, ya screwed up, somehow.

Doesn't mean you should get upset. I think of it like this: if I trip over a curb, I can laugh at it, and I'll probably even talk about it, but it's no badge of honor.

There's just no application for crashing. Not even as a learning tool. If all I learned was that I "Zigged" when I should have "Zagged," that's easily teachable on the sim. A crash is a setback. Period. A heli is down for maintenance and until I fix it I'm not progressing.

I still don't get the "if you ain't crashing you ain't learning" mindset. I've been doing this a long time and made quite a few advancements in my abilities, and I can tell you that crashing the real deal was never a good thing and did not contribute to any of my skill. All it did was turn me from pilot into mechanic in an instant.

Crash on the SIM.

That said, it's OK to crash. We're all human. We all make boo boos. And when on the ragged edge of fun we're less than one boo boo high in altitude. So crashes will happen.

But it's nothing to strive for.

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01-20-2015 06:11 PM  3 years agoPost 19
jackp332

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+1 Well said Aaron.

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01-20-2015 06:38 PM  3 years agoPost 20
MattJen

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Why is crashing such a "badge of honor"?

Am just glad the full size don't think like that or I will be holidaying in the UK this yr

On another note,and Aaron29 makes some good points..

I remember having someone who was trying to do some F3C manouvers, I offered to buddy up, he was trying to learn a piro at top of push over and wanted to do loops and rolls, he could do it blind folded on the sim.. but kept crashing before he completed in the real world.

So I offered to buddy up as I was flying F3C comp at the time, he struggled with peripheral vision cos he was used to a 16:9 42" field of view.

SO I held the heli nose in at top of the pushover and said ok you have control, it started falling towards to the ground as he had not learnt prop up the dropping wing method, he started to panic as his Fury 90 was heading to ground sideways, I said " JUST PRESS RE SET" that's what you normally do, he got the point, I took over and rolled out..

That is the trouble with the sim, you don't learn discipline, only stick moves, if it gets away from you on the sim you crash and re set, admittedly I am going back when sims first appeared as a learning tool, and understand they have improved considerably, but your field of vision is still only the size of the TV screen, you can simulate wind, but it isn't the same as having it gusting in your face, or having an insect fly into your eye as you do a manoeuvre, or if wind coming towards you in the Nitro days having the smoke blow into your face and sting your eyes..

Having a lot of friends who are Pilots for British Airways and other airlines, they always said when first learning to fly a new type of aircraft,they practiced on the sim and then went and learnt it again in the real world when being line checked, that's how I adopted learning new moves, as mentioned before, I broke them up and then once mastered joined them together..

I am not saying this is the right way as we all have our own methods and styles and it is down to us..

But most Professional pilots are sponsored, they crash, they shrug their shoulders and order replacement parts.

Unfortunately most of us are not in that world, and as AARON29 said, if we crash we are out of action for a while..

Speaking from experience, I lost all my fleet in a fire, it has taken me nearly 5 months to get 1 model up and running, it will be over a year on my scale Jetranger.

All The Best

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