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01-08-2015 07:50 PM  3 years agoPost 61
Aaron29

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Meh. Learned to hover on a sim. Picked my heli up into a 3 foot hover with training gear. I was perfectly stable. So I landed and tossed the gear. It was pointless.

They are useless. And if you're using them, I frankly believe you aren't ready to come off the sim.

Besides, the heli flies better at 3 feet than 6 inches anyway. And if you're higher than 6 inches up, that training gear is going to do very little for you.

So there. LOL

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01-08-2015 08:07 PM  3 years agoPost 62
Ladymagic

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I don't care who thinks training gear is best. They are wrong.
Exactly Aaron,

Training gear is more of a crutch than a help. It changes ground handling and messes with CG. I used them for maybe 2 flights when I started...I took them off and magic happened.

Your rotor and a good sim is all the help you need.

Mellisa

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01-08-2015 08:13 PM  3 years agoPost 63
Aaron29

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Training gear is a vestige of helicopter learning from long ago, in the pre-sim days.

You skidded around a few inches off the ground to ensure no tip-overs while you learned to keep it in a smaller and smaller area.

It worked, but the sim is FAR better a teacher. In the simulator era we currently live in, training gear is pointless, and in fact counterproductive.

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01-08-2015 08:16 PM  3 years agoPost 64
don s

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Good lord I only used training gear for 2 or 3 flights. They were homemade and kept falling apart so I ditched them. Having years of fixed wing rc and helicopter sim time was a benefit I'm sure.

They helped with the first flight jitters I can assure you. Try not to make such broad assumptions about everybody's flying ability.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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01-08-2015 08:17 PM  3 years agoPost 65
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Don.

By your own words, you didn't need them either. That's my point. Don't be sensitive. I'm not talking about ability here. I'm talking about how effective training gear are at teaching.

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01-08-2015 08:18 PM  3 years agoPost 66
don s

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So they're more effective for nerves than training.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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01-08-2015 08:20 PM  3 years agoPost 67
Aaron29

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So is a shot of whiskey!

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01-08-2015 08:24 PM  3 years agoPost 68
don s

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But the AMA said...

As for the helicopter sim, I had months of Real Flight, but years of Commanche vs. Hokum on the PC. LOVED that game.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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01-08-2015 10:20 PM  3 years agoPost 69
ICUR1-2

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I would like know what other ways are more accurate than hanging the heli from the head.

Training gear never used them, flew a coaxial for a while then bought and flown a 30 size with in 6 months.

spending time, paying attention

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01-08-2015 11:01 PM  3 years agoPost 70
Aaron29

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Basically turning the heli side ways hold it by the head and see which way the body pivots. Only resistance is main shaft bearing.

Hanging from head vertically most the weight is below so it masks imbalance to a degree.

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01-08-2015 11:11 PM  3 years agoPost 71
Cobra 46

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I used training gear when I started in the early eights For a few flights I don't think it ever saved me. When I took thenm off it hovered so well I wished I never put them on in the first place But they do get you past the first time jitters ! 🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁👍

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01-09-2015 12:59 AM  3 years agoPost 72
EEngineer

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Never used training gear either...

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01-09-2015 01:02 AM  3 years agoPost 73
Cobra 46

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Never used a sim till this year Eather

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01-09-2015 01:04 AM  3 years agoPost 74
EEngineer

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Have always used a sim, though....saved me a lot of money.

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01-09-2015 01:13 AM  3 years agoPost 75
ICUR1-2

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holding it sideways is better ??
and if the main is tilted slightly you think that won't bias the weight. then how do you balance the left to right side and nose and tail
you guys realize that the model hangs from the head when flying right ?!
alrighty then thanks for the info. I'll use what works best for me

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01-09-2015 01:30 AM  3 years agoPost 76
Cobra 46

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In my thinking the CG is located in the center of the spindle shaft in the head. I hang my heli with J hooks on the bottom of the blade grips

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01-09-2015 01:35 AM  3 years agoPost 77
EEngineer

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Thought the CG was at the intersection of the tail boom with the main shaft.

Then you have battery weight below and rotor head and blade weight above...

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01-09-2015 01:41 AM  3 years agoPost 78
ICUR1-2

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if we believe what the sims shows us, the balance point is about where the main gear is for all 3 axis

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01-09-2015 01:42 AM  3 years agoPost 79
Aaron29

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The CG is most definitely below the rotor head with all that mass down there. That's the problem hanging it from the head. It has to be very out of balance before there is much tilt in the skids vs. floor. And how level are your skids (i.e. Mikado). The sideways method is unequivocal.

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01-09-2015 01:42 AM  3 years agoPost 80
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I'm not an engineer and I knew I would raise some eyebrows but I said it anyway lol. The CG I am thinking about is the for aft balance point of the heli ., not the CG of the flying model I am sure there is a point below the blades and above the skids that the weight is centered like the center of a ball Am I completely wrong ?? 😳

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