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12-23-2014 09:51 AM  5 years ago
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RussJ

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Question about full PiroFlipping
OK, I`ve been working on these for a while now and have gotten a bit better at doing them. Still no expert at them but they look ok while i`m doing them. I`ve looked at countless videos and the "learn how to" videos on youtube and found that everyone seems to have their own way of doing them.
My question is, when do you start the second half of the piroflip to come back to upright position. Some start the second half of the piroflip with the heli nose in inverted, and some start the second half of the piroflip tail in inverted.
I`ve learned to do them starting the first half of the piroflip tail in upright, then the second half of the piroflip nose in inverted. Also using the same stick stirr starting with forward elevator for both upright and inverted positions. If I start the second half of the piroflip tail in inverted, I need to use a differant stick stirr starting with backwards elevator. Always pushing the disk away from me. This also produces a little differant outcome overall on how the manuever looks. I wanted to ask because there has always been some confusion on this for me. Or is it one of those manuevers that don`t really matter exactly how it`s done.
Russ
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12-23-2014 10:24 AM  5 years ago
RussJ

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Here is a link to 2 differant videos that show differant methods on them, they both explain it and do them well, but they do them differant from each other,

Watch at YouTube

Watch at YouTube

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12-23-2014 10:27 AM  5 years ago
Propwash3D

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i suggest look at the smack talk video of piro flipping Bert gioes over all this...

is a matter of timing and feel...its taken me 2 years to master this skill...once you get it....your entire flight can be just piroflipping...
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12-23-2014 12:22 PM  5 years ago
Richardmid1

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I learned them the same as the second video. Dead simple when you break them down like that.60% of the time, it works every time!
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12-23-2014 12:46 PM  5 years ago
fastflyer20

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Russ does a nice smooth piro flip, like the second vid. I think he is asking is there multiple ways.

Nick Maxwells Video:

Watch at YouTube

Tom
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12-23-2014 01:12 PM  5 years ago
Ladymagic

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There are countless ways to start piro flips. The way i learned to was to break the manuever down into halves. Just like you've been doing. Once you have both halves down, then you simply link them into one continuous flip.

One thing I've learned is don't try and do them exactly same as another pilot. You have to find your own initiation point. I use the tail when it's pointing at me...I pop the collective to unseat the heli, then I add in yaw and stir in a little bit of cyclic. I let the heli fall over rather than trying to fly it over or rush it. You will have a tendancy to rush the heli over out of fear it might fall out, but you actually have more time than you might think.

In time, muscle memory and reflex will kick in where you can vary the timing and input to control direction and vary the piro rate without having to cancel out of the manuever. It just takes time.
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12-23-2014 03:34 PM  5 years ago
don s

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"stir in a little bit of collective"

cyclic?
E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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12-23-2014 04:50 PM  5 years ago
Ladymagic

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Correction...cyclic..Mellisa
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12-23-2014 04:58 PM  5 years ago
rudyy

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Russ, mine is not the same as yours in the first half. I start with the nose in upright and stir the stick starting at 6 o'clock and then with the nose in inverted and stir the stick starting at 12 o'clock.
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12-23-2014 05:50 PM  5 years ago
Trexwilly

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I do them like the second video, 2X piro per flip,I do front flips, and I try and clock the stir at nose in inverted, nose out right side up...

Watch at YouTube

On the sim I have tried them backflipping and I do alot of reversing, but I am still trying to bring that to real life...
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12-23-2014 09:57 PM  5 years ago
RussJ

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Thanks for the input on these and the videos, I do them like the second video I posted as well and like trexwilly. I've seen then done so many different ways, that's why I asked. It seems to be one of those maneuvers that you can kind of change up a bit while your doing it.
One thing I've learned is don't try and do them exactly same as another pilot. You have to find your own initiation point.
I think Mellisa has it correct. That's what I've been discovering too.
Russ
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12-23-2014 10:24 PM  5 years ago
mystar60

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Once you get the Piro flip down then you can attempt a Kaos

Watch at YouTube

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12-24-2014 02:25 AM  5 years ago
Trexwilly

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Yes Curtis is the godfather of 3D, and he coined the name, Chaos. I have seen that video and believe what he said, you need to practice that move a bunch before you can do it... I will never dedicate the time required to learn a Chaos, But I enjoy piro flipping, and I am working hard to improve my standard ones, and I am training every day to be as smooth doing right rudder, my "offhand" direction. I can do some mild reversing now, but I am no where near comfortable doing offhand as low or controlled as my left rudders!
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