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12-24-2014 05:47 AM  5 years ago
gologo

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This guy was pretty happy w. it.............after a whole lot of rounds,
I believe. Do like the price. What caliber was it, never quite caught it?
Or just plain missed it.
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12-24-2014 06:43 AM  5 years ago
spaceman spiff

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Its a 9mm.

That malfunction he spoke about is alarming.

There are quite a few good ones to check out.

a few folks mentioned going to the range and renting a few to see for yourself. Very good advice.
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12-24-2014 12:05 PM  5 years ago
Mike0251

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And just to clarify my use of "time to think". It's really easy to say just blast the hell out of them...when and if that situation or one like it really presents itself in your face, and your armed, your about to take someones life, and if you do, this will add complexity to your life like you can't believe. And you must decided that in a split second too. Right wrong or indifferent. Just make GD sure your in the right before you pull that trigger. The revolver gives you that extra millisecond to think about what your about to do.
Back to that home defense class we took years ago. We went with another couple, real good friend, had a FFL at the time before the ATF got strict and took so many of them away. He sold guns, big fan. This class was designed to get our CCW's. We talked extensively about taking a life and when and if it had to be. After this talk she promptly said she was going to go out and sit in the car, she could not kill someone, this was not for her. My god, I though Glen was going to cry...go figure. He looked at her, what about a rapist, this situation, that one, for her it did not matter. Got to say I was a little taken back too.
My ramblings here are for the new person that wants to defend or carry and the bottom line of what we are really talking about. Killing someone.
Target shooting/hunting, all of the above is a moot point.
Back to the type of gun you want, all personal, whatever trips your trigger!
Here is a tip for the lady that does not want to carry that we also learned, and it worked well for my wife one evening in town, our home town...again go figure. She was being leered at at a 7/11. When she left to go over to a small strip plaza she thought she was followed. When she came out of the store she recognized the van and the leering person watching her in the parking lot. She did not have a gun. But she looked his way and pulled her purse up in front of her and stuck her hand in it like she had a weapon, and kept her hand in there. They immediately drove off right then. Take a good CCW class/home defense. It's a good education whether you carry or not.
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12-24-2014 01:41 PM  5 years ago
Dan Minick

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I'm an avid gun collector/shooter. I'm more of a long gun guy, but i do have 2 hand guns. One Walther 1911 .22 suppressed for my lady to shoot while I shoot my Sig 1911 .45 suppressed. We don't need hearing protection and can communicate easily while shooting paper. The 1911 series have several safeties built in. One in the grip where if you do not have your hand fully seated the gun will not fire and one on the slide that actually locks the trigger and slide. If you are not planning on carrying 1911 is the way to goTeam Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!
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12-24-2014 06:14 PM  5 years ago
gologo

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Mike, you said a Mouthfull there!! Yeah, I or anyone can be a real keyboard
cowboy, but when/if the REAL situation happens, whattcha really gonna do
The CCW guy in the link I posted came out great in that incident, but yep,
his life is going to be very complicated and screwed up for a long time to
come, and that is not even counting dealing w. it in his head.

I am looking at this because I have always liked pistols/revolvers and would be actually taking it out once and a while and enjoying it. But, yes
the home defense ( and maybe?? CC) is a big part of my thinking.
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12-24-2014 06:50 PM  5 years ago
Mike0251

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And I am not trying to dissuade you or anyone by any means. Finally got some time to chat on RR over the holidays. Pistols and guns are cool as all get out. Wife and I bought Sig 1911-22's for our birthday (1911 frame chambered for .22's). We love to shoot and she actually out shoots me most of the time too! LMAO I recently took her out to shoot my new AR15. Gave her a clip with about 15 rounds in it. She took it easy for the first 5 rounds and then all of a sudden she cut that bad boy loose and emptied it as fast as she could pull the trigger! I was like whhhhaaa? She turned around with this big smile and I asked her if she felt better now...LOL. She said she wanted to to see how it would do and loved it. Told me to go get more ammo. HA!
Sometimes I get to serious in my ramblings, in any case I think it well worth you looking into a good all around firearm that you will be happy with and have on the premises for self defense. God knows after I posted the above and read the latest news around our country it almost made me want to go out and buy more guns!
Best to you, get your wife interested, its's a fun hobby for the husband and wife, and real good that she knows how to protect herself in a time of need.
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12-24-2014 07:45 PM  5 years ago
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Once i had a shotgun in my face. Hand over my cash, and they left me alone. Nothing i could or should have done.

Not sure but i think it is a mandatory 7 years for crimes with a gun. Big risk for 9$
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12-25-2014 03:24 PM  5 years ago
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Some good and bad info in this thread, haha.

I recommend a 9mm for concealed carry and personal defense, especially if you're not large/strong and you don't have a lot of time/money to train. Quality defensive ammo has brought the gap between the 9x19, .40S&W, and .45ACP down in size by quite a bit, so if you select something like Speer Good Dot, Federal HST, or Winchester Ranger ammo (among many others, of course), you'll do just fine with a 9mm. The biggest advantages to a 9mm are reduced recoil (making the firearm more controllable and allowing for faster follow-up shots) and a higher capacity. I own a gorgeous custom 1911 in .45ACP, but don't carry it much due to higher recoil and lower capacity. Sure, a .45 makes a bigger hole at the start, but if my life is on the line, I'll take a marginally smaller round that will allow me more shots on target in a shorter period of time, which will ultimately produce more "wound surface area" quicker, and allow a greater chance at hitting vital targets due to a higher round count hitting the target in a shorter period of time.

As other have mentioned, however, any modern defensive caliber will work fine. What's most important is training. Train as much as you can. Take as many quality classes as you can. Doing so builds muscle memory and reinforces good habits. It also builds confidence, shows you your weak areas that you need to work on, and helps you develop the mindset needed to survive in a violent encounter. If you can, compete a little at local shooting matches once you have the basics down and are a safe shooter. Competing will introduce stress into your shooting, both because of the need to shoot against the clock and the scoreboard (accuracy-wise), and because of the competition with others that will drive you to do better.

I've not taken a force on force class yet, but I really want to, and they come highly recommended.

If you can only afford one class, I'll recommend the MAG-40 class from Massad Ayoob's "Massad Ayoob Group." Not only is Mas a seasoned shooter and instructor, but as an expert witness in court, he's never lost a case he's taken, and he backs up his classroom lecture with actual court cases and precedent. His class is the best $800 I've ever spent, bar none.

So, pick a handgun that works for you, and then train, train, train!
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12-27-2014 12:51 PM  5 years ago
2low

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Love my Sig 9mm. Most accurate shooting gun I have owned. Easy to break down and clean.Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.
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12-28-2014 02:29 AM  5 years ago
gologo

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Is that the Sig229? If so, it really compares neck and neck w. the G19.

Nice. But looks like so is the price......
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12-28-2014 06:04 AM  5 years ago
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Checkout Hickock45 on YouTube. Lots of great reviews. I have shot the Glock and have a 23. I think my next purchase will be the Smith and Wesson Shield in 9mm. Super nice guns. I like my M&P 45.

Bigger is not always better. If you want to carry then being able to conceal is paramount. Also do some research on loads. Look at time to incapacitation and accuracy. 9mm gets the job done
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12-28-2014 07:28 AM  5 years ago
gologo

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Thanks for that link, already getting a lot of good info on the glock line!
That guy seems to know his stuff. And doesn't shoot too bad either....

Will be watching many more of his reviews......
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12-28-2014 06:21 PM  5 years ago
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I think my next purchase will be the Smith and Wesson Shield in 9mm.
That whole class of single stack concealable compacts has become extremely popular. I Have the XDS and Walther PPS 9mm and love them, but still have a burning desire to get the SW Shield.
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12-28-2014 08:09 PM  5 years ago
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Can't stand the Glocks, too much like holding on to a 2x4. Now the M&P full size is another story. Like it better than H&K Compact
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12-28-2014 08:16 PM  5 years ago
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Just a question intentionally staying out of the mechanical end since technology has changed leap's and bound's in giant steps.

Maybe some one can answer ??? Even text book or trend

What if Eye Dominance has changed? from RH / RE dominance to
RH / LE Dominance ? Is their a parallax issue ?

Or is it a reliability issue on muscle memory training ?

Believe on many Long Gun Optic's their is now Diopter adjustment.

Apologize in advance if it a bit of a weird question.

Just wondering
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12-28-2014 08:27 PM  5 years ago
AirWolfRC

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The sights don't care what eye you're using. If the target is lined up, you're good.
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12-29-2014 12:28 AM  5 years ago
R/C Speed Nut

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On that point, anyone ever noticed that Hickock45 is RH / LE Dominant? Doesn't seem to affect him any.
Mike

Funky Chicken?!!..........I thought this was how you do a piro flip!!
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12-29-2014 02:49 AM  5 years ago
WrenFlyer

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I'm RH/RE dominant, but a problem with my right eye has forced my to shoot most long guns LH and sight pistols with my left eye. I'm a better shot with a long gun left handed!Mr. Haney
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12-29-2014 03:13 AM  5 years ago
GREYEAGLE

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Sorry but it's a older haunting question :

I can actually remember when sporting clay's was just a thought. Handgun competition was really a tough sport for point's and classification wise and round's where pretty cheap. Not uncommon to go thru a couple of ice Cream bucket's full just shooting Wad's.

Then it Got expensive.

Guy's shot just for sport / competition - not to carry a side arm. Ranges where pretty much empty except for test and training. Lot of Old timers won't even go to a packed range now.

Technology has changed so much it is baffling.
Lot's has changed since the New Rage to Buy any thing pretty.
Never heard or seen a hamerless revolver and the new plethora of redundant safeties personally make's me Nervous !
Even a new caliber a 300 ?? something for varmint ?

Safeties - They used to be Off or ON and no confusion . Hard to believe but their was a time when the Automatic was kinda rare and had lot's of problem's.

Sorry just Old School. The High Dollar Optic's available is just nut's
Never saw a composite frame till a few year's ago either .

Give you dated - Never could believe that on a shot gun you where only allowed to carry 3 in the tube - When did that start ?
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12-31-2014 01:23 AM  5 years ago
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gologo - yeah, I'm the ghost of RunRyder.
Still trying to get my head around the gun worship thyng. I don't know wheather to cry or laugh at the current situation, given the spectacular debacle of today when a 2 year old found mums gun and accidentally killed mum. Don't you yanks get it ? are you that retarded ? How is it possible that gun ownership gets the thumbs up. Yeah I'm sure that playing with guns must be a laugh, I'd love to have a go, but the reality and the bigger picture kind of suggests this is not the brighest idea !
Vegetable rights and Peace
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