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12-23-2014 02:00 AM  5 years ago
spaceman spiff

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Here is an interesting one. Not quite the same test i was looking at previously, but gives some good info.
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12-23-2014 02:00 AM  5 years ago
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I'm thinking of a .380 for a carry weapon as well. Like you say, it won't have the stopping power of a .45 but I bet you pump a half dozen into someone it will give you time to get away...

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12-23-2014 02:03 AM  5 years ago
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Here is a different less scientific but fun perspective. Shock vs penetration. Pick your poison.
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12-23-2014 02:46 AM  5 years ago
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I've pretty much always thought of the Gold Dots as the standard to judge by, but the second video says a lot for the Liberty ammo. Our carry ammo started out as Speer Gold Dots, but changed towards the end to Federal hollow points. I fortunately never had to shoot anything but paper, so I don't know the relative difference in effectiveness.

One thing that is for certain is that the energy of a round is a function of the mass and a function of the velocity squared. So taking a given round (90g @ 900 fps) vs another round (50g @ 1500 fps) the corresponding energies are 729 vs 112.5.

Stopping power is really dependent on velocity more so than bullet weight. As the demo showed on the Gold Dot ammo, there just wasn't enough velocity/energy to get the bullet to its optimum levels, but there was on the Liberty round.
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12-23-2014 02:50 AM  5 years ago
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You all need to read a coroners report on the damage done by different Calibers ..... Then see what you take home from the weapons store... I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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12-23-2014 03:04 AM  5 years ago
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Here is another interesting one between 380 and 45 fragmenting hollow points. Different fragmenting damage and shock, but total penetration of the two is actally quite similar...

I would definitely prefer to use the 45, but i doubt anyone will volunteer to stand in front of one of these 380s...

Twsrd the end of the second video they change strategy and go for plain old penetration.
Looks like running a standardish lower weight projectile at higher speed with 380 is a good thing according to these guys...
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12-23-2014 05:21 AM  5 years ago
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I use the hydra shock federal defense rounds it's like a hollow point but it mushrooms n propellers through talk about shock, check them out

http://www.federalpremium.com/produ...gun.aspx?id=177

You tube has some vids of the hydra shok going into ballistic gel look at the damage vs a hollow point n you'll see y I use them and only them, even in the range as I want to feel same kick reaction of the round as I am gonna be firing in defense of my or family's life. They never misfired, never a bad primer it's worth the extra $ IMHO
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12-23-2014 06:36 AM  5 years ago
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found a guy doing a great job of testing 380 hydroshocks and a few others to the FBI standards. Hydros and some of the others really are making the grade.

learned a lot today.
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12-23-2014 07:20 AM  5 years ago
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Go to a range that rents guns and shoot as many as you can. You will know when you shoot the “one”, it will fit your hand and the sights will present the correct sight alignment and sight picture with minimal effort.

The best gun/caliber (really chamber but that is another debate) is the one you can hit your target with on the first round.
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12-23-2014 06:18 PM  5 years ago
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The article below is probably the most real world info a person can get
the bottom line is accuracy
hit a vital area !

myself I carry a Ruger LCR 38 special+p most of the time
or my XDMc .45

http://www.policemag.com/channel/we...-realities.aspx
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12-23-2014 07:41 PM  5 years ago
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"Stopping power" myth
Despite the indisputable evidence shown in the video that I posted on the first page of this thread , here is a 1989 FBI report that corroborates the information in the policemag.com article posted above. The only definite way to immediately "stop" an attacker is with damage to the central nervous system; the brain, brain stem or spinal cord.

http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf

Even if the heart is destroyed, an attacker can continue to fight until the blood loss causes the brain to stop functioning, which can take as much as 15 seconds.

Accuracy is everything.

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12-23-2014 09:48 PM  5 years ago
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One of the videos i found yesterday was saying the FBI is moving back to 9mm...
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12-23-2014 11:06 PM  5 years ago
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Lot of interesting stuff here, but waaay beyond what I intended, at least
right now.....

But have to say THIS is the very very thing CC is meant for.....
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...C?ocid=U147GDHP

But as some of you have said, you have to have it in you to pull the trigger, NOT just say what you would do through the keyboard.
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12-23-2014 11:22 PM  5 years ago
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So lets talk "pull the trigger". You mention home defense. You and your spouse? Is she familiar with how a semi auto pistol works?
Reason I say this, my bedside companion is a .357 revolver. With a revolver there is no safety to engage or disengage, and you have some time to think about what you are about to do when you have to pull the trigger all the way through the action. A semi, touch the trigger and it fires right then. Just a point that was brought up to my wife and I years ago in a home defense class. My ccw is a Makarov semi, chambered, and safety on, and I take even more care in handling it just because it is a semi and a loaded one at that. My wife's ccw is a S&W 38 alloy frame hamerless revolver. No snagging coming out of the purse and time to think about what you are about to do should you need to. Just something to think about in so far as revolvers vs semis.
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12-23-2014 11:45 PM  5 years ago
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Weeeell, I am not too sure I will ever be able to get her involved, she is
not exactly too thrilled that I am even mentioning/looking at them. Kind of
along the lines of when I mention getting another motorcycle......

So there are NO safetys of any kind on the triggers of revolvers?
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12-24-2014 12:32 AM  5 years ago
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Why worry about safety. Just pull the trigger repeatedly and dismember as many fukcers as you can, also dose your bulletts with toxins such as Plotonium for maximum effect. Then even a flesh wound of say lascerated tescicles would acheive the ultimate prize. Roasted Testicles taste great with radiated BBQ sauce, or even zapped breasts with naisal hair on a light taretare sauce is a fine delicacy.Vegetable rights and Peace
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12-24-2014 12:42 AM  5 years ago
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YUG!! You are still around, haven't seen ya on here forever.

Still drinking that "koolaid" I see
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12-24-2014 02:59 AM  5 years ago
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So there are NO safetys of any kind on the triggers of revolvers?
Actually they do have saftey features they are part of the basic design. There are two basic types.

The single action triggers found on most revolvers are typically very light an crisp triggers, but they can't do anything untill you pull the hammer back. Some do have an additional lever, but they are not needed IMO.

Other revolvers and small pocket semiautomatics use a double action trigger that requires you to pull 12 to 15 pounds for over a half inch to pull the hammer back. At the end of that long stroke the hammer drops, it is a very strong and deliberate action required, so most folks are pretty comfortable with them.

Sometimes i carry a little pocket gun. Bodyguard 380, it has the long pull double action trigger which is already pretty safe, but it also has a great safety that you can click on if you want. If you want you can carry without a round chambered and there is a little milled out pocket in the end of the barrel so you can see if there is anything in the chamber... Another option for pocket carry is a kydex clip that covers the trigger. A string attaches the clip to your belt, so the trigger is covered untill you have it out of your pocket at which point it snaps loose, then you release the safety, rack a round, and pull hard if needed. You have a lot of choices in tayloring the level of safety to your requirements. You can even keep the ammo in another pocket if you want.

If you get the glock the levels of safety you can add are to run empty chamber and holstered. (recomended)
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12-24-2014 03:27 AM  5 years ago
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Spaceman thanks for that! That makes sense on the trigger pressure basically being a 'safety'. Was just surprised that revolvers had no
ACTUAL safety. Learning...., and actually revolvers, which I have always
liked, have the nice features of less parts and no worries about jamming,
ya just go on around to the next chamber.

But, still seem to be leaning towards a semi.
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12-24-2014 04:14 AM  5 years ago
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Another option that might interest you. The finish is just paint so it will get scratched up pretty fast, but it reportedly is a great gun. This one has a decocking feature so it is a hard long pull double action trigger for the first shot if you want it to be. Decocked and holstered is a nice combo of safety but it is still very ready to go at the same time...

My brother has the nicer Wather version. Loves it.
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