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12-22-2014 11:57 AM  5 years ago
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Please explain why Officer Wilson is a racist.......
Okay, no one can prove whether he is or isn't. But, I don't believe that he's the innocent little puppy he tried to portray to the media. There were witness reports that he used racial slurs and curse words to tell them to get out of street. Brown attacking him makes more sense that way (if he was the aggressor).

I do think that he antagonized Brown in some way which helped to escalate the situation. At some point during the altercation, it evovled from "self defense" to out right rage. He could have deescalated matters without a need for lethal force.

Since that's just speculation on my part, so I suppose its not fair to call him a racist, but I bet if he didn't like black people before...he definately hates them now.
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12-22-2014 12:11 PM  5 years ago
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You must've missed the memo that all white people are racists....
Oh don't take things so far out of context. I've worked with alot of great people over the years. Most of them are white. But, the difference is they try to understand opposite points of views before making broad assumptions like I've seen on some of these threads.
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12-22-2014 12:18 PM  5 years ago
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well, I've yet to hear a single person here say that all blacks are bad. To the contrary actually. But you have to admit, the things going on now don't make y'all look too good. Maybe you don't see what's happening here...and if so, be thankful. You'd be embarrassed.
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12-22-2014 12:29 PM  5 years ago
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well, I've yet to hear a single person here say that all blacks are bad.
And then you go on to say:
the things going on now don't make y'all look too good
Really?

By "ya'll"....As in "you all" you do mean all black people right? Or is it just all minorities?

Sounds pretty broad to me. And if you don't realize it then maybe thats part of the problem.

And it goes both ways my friend. The things going on don't make "ya'll" look to good either.
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12-22-2014 12:41 PM  5 years ago
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You'd be embarrassed.
You know what? I'm not even full black and I AM EMBERASSED. So is my husband and so are practically all normal black people around the world.

The problem is...the media loves to focus on just the idiots like the ones in Ferguson which doesn't help the rest argue the fact that they are same as anyone else. And some others need no other evidence than that because it supports their own views of those same people.

As a result the normal black folks get caught up and treated just like the unruley types and that is where the root of the arguement is.
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12-22-2014 12:56 PM  5 years ago
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the point is, I'm sure you're a fine person, as most blacks are. But why are there so few blacks that stand up and condemn this behavior...and the few that do get shunned by their own people (Barkeley is the prime example).
I've got a question (and I'm being sincere here), why do mixed race people ALWAYS identify with the minority side??? You just did it, the president has NEVER mentioned that he's half white unless he's bringing up his white mother's cancer...I've seen guys on TV that look whiter than me, claiming to be African-American. If you're 10% black, why DEMAND to be indentified as black?? Isn't that racists towards yourself in part?? Serious question I've always wanted to ask somebody like yourself....
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12-22-2014 01:23 PM  5 years ago
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Okay heli boy these are the types of questions I like to answer...it means you want to learn or at least understand the other side of the coin.
why do mixed race people ALWAYS identify with the minority side???
I cannot speak for everyone, but I have had this conversation with other mixed race people....and the general consensus is that we identify most with the cultural side most prodominant with how we were raised. My father was darkskinned black/hispanic and my mother is south asian pacific. In alot of ways, the social expectations are similar so it was easier to intregrate that into my upbringing. My parents did make a point to ensure I knew my lineage on both sides. And it's actually pretty darn cool. If you knew me, you'd likely say I take on more of my Asian side ( even my husband says so), but watching what my father had to go through helps me to gain a different perspective on how darkskinned people are treated in this society. That was further enforced with my husband and he's a stand up man with good principles. Yet, in many cases he's only seen for his skin and not his actions.

And it's not ALWAYS. I know several other who identify more with their white side. Its all about the individual and their upbringing.
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12-22-2014 01:36 PM  5 years ago
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and the few that do get shunned by their own people (Barkeley is the prime example).
Again, I can only speak for myself here, but the reality is, Charles Barkely is just that...Charles Barkley. Although he was raised in a bad enviornment and got out, that's not the majority. And when he got out, his point of view changed becuase now he has money and access.

I think he's forgotten that he was one of the few lucky ones and not everyone have had the same success. So he should be very careful how he speaks for the masses. Plus, what has he done for the ones he left behind to help them get where he is?

White people gravitate to him because his opinions fit more to their way of thinking. But here's the kicker; if he were to still have the typical angry black man mantality and blaming white people for everything on camera, how successful do you think he would be now? Probably not very much so most see his perspective as a mode of self preservation. Just like a back peddling politician.

Only a theory though.
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12-22-2014 01:48 PM  5 years ago
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But why are there so few blacks that stand up and condemn this behavior
I really do believe that black many people have forgotten their rich heritage through a combination of low self respect, apathy,and social conditioning.

My grandfather who was also dark skinned told me many stories about life in his day. If a black man tried to help another in trouble, he would simple end up with the same fate. Same thing goes when one would be confronted by police or any white man from that time. If he was threatened and defended himself, he would be jailed or killed for killing a white man. If he was compliant, he would still be jailed and possibly still killed.

In the end, people will be people and stupidity ALWAYS finds a way, most feel they don't have the time or energy to deal with it when they already have their own problems. Being a stand up community is a great concept, but I think many in the black community are still divided for petty issues. This is what black people need to work on.
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12-22-2014 01:51 PM  5 years ago
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Again, I can only speak for myself here, but the reality is, Charles Barkely is just that...Charles Barkley. Although he was raised in a bad environment and got out, that's not the majority. And when he got out, his point of view changed because now he has money and access.
OK - but I can flip that. Maybe he's ALWAYS thought the way he did and that thinking is what allowed him to raise up despite his upbringings??? To say he "got lucky and got out" is probably really selling him short. I'm sure he worked VERY hard to get out.
How about the likes of Carson, Keyes, Cain???
Good discussion and thanks for the direct and honest answer. I've had a few good black friends in my life and I really enjoyed their friendship. I'm sure just about everybody here could say the same.
Generalization is a bad thing (generally.. ), but it IS human nature. The trick is to not apply those generalizations to the individuals you meet in life...and I do NOT do that. It's easy to sound and come off wrong on a keyboard...
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12-22-2014 04:10 PM  5 years ago
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Maybe he's ALWAYS thought the way he did and that thinking is what allowed him to raise up despite his upbringings???
Maybe he has and I don't argue that fact that he's worked hard to get what he has. He's also not obligated to anyone because of his success, but if you are going to berate people like he's done at times, you need to look at what you've done to help them.

The main point here is not everyone has his talent or mindset. I think the worst thing anyone can do is expect everyone else to think and do the same as you do. Maybe that's why he isn't very well recieved with the black comminity.
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12-22-2014 04:13 PM  5 years ago
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Good discussion and thanks for the direct and honest answer.
Indeed heliboy, I appreciate your candid questions as well and not getting mauled by the entire forum for not having the same thoughts is nice too:

Keep em coming. You are great company and I'm on 12hr shifts I've got all night out here.
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12-22-2014 04:24 PM  5 years ago
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He's also not obligated to anyone because of his success, but if you are going to berate people like he's done at times, you need to look at what you've done to help them.
And I don't know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it anyway.
How do we know he HASN'T done things for the people he came from???
My guess is that he has and he's one of those guys that doesn't have to have his face plastered all over TV to brag on himself over it.
There was a running back for FSU and Tampa Bay Bucs that did GREAT things for the poor black community for his entire career and he was never found out until after he retired (Warrick Dunn).
I'm thinking that may be the case with Barkeley. At least I hope so...
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12-22-2014 04:25 PM  5 years ago
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Generalization is a bad thing (generally.. ), but it IS human nature. The trick is to not apply those generalizations to the individuals you meet in life...and I do NOT do that. It's easy to sound and come off wrong on a keyboard...
It is and it also human nature. I think it's easier to spam generalizations than it is to look at someone from a different perspective. The weak minded are most suseptible no matter what race you are in my opinion.
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12-22-2014 04:35 PM  5 years ago
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You can take the man out of the ghetto, but you cant take the ghetto out of the thug.Steve
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12-22-2014 04:40 PM  5 years ago
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How do we know he HASN'T done things for the people he came from???
I honestly don't know either. But, I venture to guess he may have thrown a few dollars back to someone close to him. But, the real question should be what has really really done to help his community as a whole?

By that I don't mean giving $250,000 to the local YMCA. I am talking about being active in the community he left and using his influence to motivate, inspire, and help others get to where his is.

My observation is that most successful black folks pick a small section of the black to community,show face, and then go back to their million dollar mansions.

Take Oprah. She fought through heavy racial and gender discrimination to become one of the most powerful women in the world. But, if you look at her good deeds, most all of them involve her helping African girls in Africa. Not that that's bad, but it serves to alienate a whole slew of black folks who could benefit from her mentorship and influence.

I don't think the most sucessful black types do enough to pull EVERYONE up with them. They seem to run and never look back. Maybe I'm wrong in that assessment.
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12-22-2014 05:01 PM  5 years ago
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I don't think the most sucessful black types do enough to pull EVERYONE up with them. They seem to run and never look back. Maybe I'm wrong in that assessment.
Well, I suspect you are.

Here is why, and I am speaking in general terms.

Most successful blacks are conservatives. Conservatives always give more to charity than democrats. That is a matter of record you can check for yourself. The reason for that is that democrats feel its the responsibility of the government to give rather than individuals. Conservatives feel just the opposite.

Again, I am speaking in general terms and mean no disrespect.
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12-22-2014 05:08 PM  5 years ago
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no, actually I think you are 100% correct. Oprah is a prime example. The other ones that come to mind are Jay-Z and Beyonce'.
Those 2 have directly made millions by promoting some not so savory music etc. in the community with his record label.
Real hard to swallow the "racism" bitching when you're making tens of millions per year.
Like Mayweather the boxer who has made almost 300 million dollars in his career and he claims he would've made much more if he was white..... say what???
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12-22-2014 05:15 PM  5 years ago
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The police have brought this on themselves by years of covering up crimes in their own departments, by fellow officers.

The police have become super citizens above the laws of us mere mortals. How many other careers can you retire from and still have all the authority you did while you still had the job?

Example: Police and retired police in CT are exempt from the same firearm laws the citizens of the state have to follow.

If I'm not mistaken, our Constitution says "all men are created equal" are they not part of "all men".

This is not a race issue, it's a police vs the citizens issue.

Remember, the police have no "duty to protect" upheld in federal court.

But running around saying they do all this to "protect us" makes for good press.

Police know the requirments of the job before they apply. I'm sick of the "oh poor police their job is so hard" my jobs are just as, if not more so dangerous statistly as being a police officer.
But no one is making me a super citizen above the law because I put myself in harms way to serve the public, and by the way, I don't get paid, I risk my life as a volunteer.

When the police start to correct there own problems internaly, are no longer treated as super class citizens, stop thinking just because they say something. (An illegal "lawful" order still must be obeyed and the police can use any force required including deadly force to make you comply, illegaly. Think about that.) We should all drop to our knees and worship them, things will change.

The police are scared, they should be, years of abuse of the population are coming out now, and people are getting pissed.
With cell cameras and all the instant media, we can see it, it's not the "story of some criminal" like they would want us to believe.

Why do you think they want laws passed so we can't film them in public? Because they can't fight the video evidence, if it's the "word" of a police officer against any citizen, who wins?

And yes, I would rather protect myself without the police.
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12-22-2014 05:29 PM  5 years ago
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The police have brought this on themselves by years of covering up crimes in their own departments, by fellow officers.

The police have become super citizens above the laws of us mere mortals. How many other careers can you retire from and still have all the authority you did while you still had the job?

Example: Police and retired police in CT are exempt from the same firearm laws the citizens of the state have to follow.

If I'm not mistaken, our Constitution says "all men are created equal" are they not part of "all men".

This is not a race issue, it's a police vs the citizens issue.

Remember, the police have no "duty to protect" upheld in federal court.

But running around saying they do all this to "protect us" makes for good press.
I have no idea where you get your information.

But, you are so off base that its ridiculous.

The only "Super Citizens" we have are the politicians in Washington DC,
Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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