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11-14-2014 12:25 PM  3 years agoPost 1
AgentOrange

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I just dont really understand it. I have flown or at least tried to fly many other brands of helis from Miniature Aircraft to JR and Synergy and Align and as far as i am concerned the Align heli flew just as good as the other ones. I just dont get the hate for them. I think in the beginning the quality was not there but i belive they have fixed that problem. I dont know just beyond me. I love them and firmly believe they are the glue holding this hobby together si again dont understand the hatred. Maybe people can tell mt why.

Trying not to put them in the dirt.

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11-14-2014 12:33 PM  3 years agoPost 2
Magnumeng

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To me it is because at some point people had a problem with "X" brand (doesn't have to be Align) and they did not like how the issue was resolved. So now regardless of what "X" brand makes it is all crap.

You will never make everyone happy. Even if you give them it for free.

Buy what you like and fly the crap out of it.

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11-14-2014 12:39 PM  3 years agoPost 3
AgentOrange

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I don't consider Align to be a brand X heli. I think its up there with the JR and Synergy helis all day. That comparing Apple's to oranges.

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11-14-2014 01:10 PM  3 years agoPost 4
ICUR1-2

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Haters will hate.
Align has put more pilots in the air than any other brands combined plus parts are everywhere. How can they be so bad if it were true they would gone along time ago.

spending time, paying attention

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11-14-2014 01:10 PM  3 years agoPost 5
Magnumeng

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You can replace "X" Brand with what ever brand you want.

I have had issues with all different brands. From poor quality, missing parts, crappy instructions and the list can go on. Some were because I was new to the hobby at the time.

Depending how the issue was resolved I may or may not buy the brands again. Some people can't get over the issues they had with "X" Brand and feel the best way to deal with is to bash them publicly. Others chalk it up as a learning experience and move on.

TDR, Kontronik Kosmik Cool 200, Kontronik 750-56, CGY750,
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11-14-2014 01:16 PM  3 years agoPost 6
elmobad

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They/ We have to hate Align because they "are not as good", so they/we can justify spending more money on the more pricy airframes out there...... "peer pressure" even as we get older plays a big part in our lives. I rember when I would be at the field and there were Trex 700's as far as the eye could see. Now we have even more choices and Trex 700 dont have mass appeal any more. So that means they most not be any good anymore. A products touched by human hands will have so forms of issuse. The one thing brands like the former MinAir or currents like Synergy, they have a phone call away presence.

GOT FBL?

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11-14-2014 01:21 PM  3 years agoPost 7
Richardmid1

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Mainly it comes down to past experiences with old Align stuff and people then never go back to Align. Align's new stuff is just as good as any other if not better!

The other thing is that new guys will start with Align because of the price and have problems because they don't know how to build and setup a heli correctly. They then go to another brand (having already learned alot about building and setup with their Align) and have better experiences due to there increased knowledge about build and setup.

Another thing that puts people off is they think they are screwed if a part fails because the lack of customer support when all they need to do is send the part back where they bought it for a replacement. When a replacement part is not given, shop somewhere else in future!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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11-14-2014 01:46 PM  3 years agoPost 8
AgentOrange

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I personnly have had many Align helis and own 2 right now and have had nothing but good luck with them. I guess thats is where my confusion is. I just was reading some posts and read multiple people were bad mouthing Align and got upset due to i didnt belive that to be true.

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11-14-2014 02:36 PM  3 years agoPost 9
ZS-JAF

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Nazareth, PA

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I like Align, they have some great value combos. I would not say that I hate them, but I do prefer other brands.

I have a 3D heli, I don't understand why it doesn't do 3D

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11-14-2014 02:38 PM  3 years agoPost 10
JasonJ

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Align is fine. I have and older trex 500 flybar helicopter that is a joy to fly. I had problems with it initially but it wasn't the helicopters fault. I had bought it from a swap meet and while it was barely used it was really not set up well. After I sorted it out I have been able to just toss a battery in and fly it without any issue for almost two years now. It just works. I generally avoided align mainly to not have what everyone else has but beyond that I feel they are a good choice.

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11-14-2014 04:00 PM  3 years agoPost 11
artimus

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Buckley WA

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they are easy to repair and parts used to be everywhere......hell my 450 has probaly got that many crashes....learned to fly on them . If it wasnt for Align I would be flying a Blade.....the horror.

Fly Hard......Team Viagra

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11-14-2014 04:25 PM  3 years agoPost 12
rexxigpilot

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I started flying RC helicopters with a Blade CP. I then went to an Align 450XL. That was the second heli they ever made BTW. Almost everything was plastic but the swash, but it flew way better than that POS Blade CP. Encouraged by this, I went on to buy the 450SE (first carbon framed heli from Align with all metal components), then the 600E, 600N and 700N. Along the way I had problems with all their helis from parts not fitting to just about every problem imaginable.

At about the same time as I got the 450SE I also got a Thunder Tiger Raptor 50SE. Wow, was that a superior machine to the Align helis I had up until that time. All the Raptor parts fit perfectly and it flew great. Then I got the Align 600E. It flew nice, though it was underpowered and the 5000mA, 6S batteries were super expensive (around $350 each) at that time. Worse, the batteries didn't last long since no one at that time knew LiPos shouldn't be kept fully charged like with NiXX batteries. This lead me to the Align 600N. Several main parts such as the main shaft were way out of tolerance. The main shaft was too big to fit through the bearings and swash ball. I had to machine down the shaft on my drill press using emery cloth.

I chalked up the poor quality of the 600N to just a lemon kit. So, then I go the 700N. Same problem with parts not fitting although not as bad as with the 600N. Several tapped fastening holes were too big for the screws to engage the threads. The hobby shop I got it from got me replacement parts. The 700N flew like a champ. However, after three leaking fuel tanks, two broken clutch shoes, a separated swash assembly and other issues, I kept thinking about how reliable my Raptor 50SE was. So I decided to try other brands.

I got many other brand helis available over the next several years including a Hirobo SDX, JR Vibe 50, Kasama Srimok 90, Logo 500SE, Logo 600, Synergy 5N, MA Furion and even an ElyQ Vision 50 Comp. None of these other brands gave me as much trouble during the build or reliability in holding up under punishment as did the Aligns. This was even with my improved flying skills which allowed me to push these models harder.

The SDX did have some vibration related issues that caused parts to wear out like the landing gear and a broken frame where the boom strut connects, but I was also running a Nova Rossi Rex57 engine in it. This motor turns up 1500 more RPM than it's competitors and makes more power in doing so. I'm sure the higher headspeed and extra power had something to do with the SDX's problems.

After not flying my Align 700N for a while, I decided to give it a spin again. Epic failure - another fuel tank leaking nitro all over the place and the clutch shoe broke again on the very first flight.

That was my last straw with Align. Since then I have gotten a Goblin 700, a Logo Xxtreme 700 and some multi-rotors. None of these models has given me a lick of trouble. So based on my own empirical evidence (and that of many of my RC club members) I have come to the conclusion that Align products are inferior. Sure, it can get you in the game for the lowest cost outside of some POS knockoff from hobby king, but if you like to fly more than fix your machine, Align is not the way to go - particularly if you can fly hard.

I gave Align all the chances any manufacturer should get and more. They failed me.

I know some will say they have improved recently. That's the same BS story I heard before about Align. I won't believe it this time and will never waste any more of my money on an Align product.

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11-14-2014 04:32 PM  3 years agoPost 13
Aaron29

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I started this hobby in 2003 with Thundertiger, went Hirobo in '05, tried Align in '10, then Mikado in '13.

I still fly Hirobo/Mikado. I might consider Thundertiger again. So take that for what it means.

It doesn't mean I hate Align. It means I think there are better offerings. But being a lower priced offering, one should not expect JR quality from Align. They are a fun, basic offering, making a lot of people happy. They don't deserve "hate." I loved my 450's before they died. I never really clicked with my 700N but its second owner loves it now.

It's just that an extra hundred bucks for a higher quality kit makes me pass up the most basic offerings. We're talking a price difference equal to a case of fuel. Totally worth the higher grade. I'll forget about the extra $100 spent, but I won't soon forget having issues with a bird.

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11-14-2014 05:03 PM  3 years agoPost 14
es1co2bar3

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Haters will hate.  
Align has put more pilots in the air than any other brands combined plus parts are everywhere. How can they be so bad if it were true they would gone along time ago.
I use to be a Align critic but when I realized they're the heli that you can relay on parts,
I gave up the bashing.

The Align products of 2014 is to die for, only one problem sticking now is the weight if their machines.

And if they start reducing Carbon thickness and metal grade to
lighten up the birds

Then the model will just become too fragile like the Goblin.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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11-14-2014 05:21 PM  3 years agoPost 15
rexxigpilot

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Then the model will just become too fragile like the Goblin.
What's fragile about a Goblin? That's a new one.

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11-14-2014 05:27 PM  3 years agoPost 16
icanfly

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from the bottom looking up they are fantastic compared to all the "mass production" cp beginners crud out there.

Sometimes in the name of cutting corners and keeping the profit margins acceptable to their investors quality control suffers. Ax yourself sumthing does the little slave laborer fly the heli she or it is building?

What you are seeing is the result of product representation (mis), looks good, fraught with little hic-ups and what people hate is buying into a product and made to feel a sucker when the product doesn't hold up as well to brands who were not in a race to get rich quick thereby quality control was never ignored, the end user was happy even with a higher buy in price.

Think of the word "DISPOSABLE".

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11-14-2014 05:27 PM  3 years agoPost 17
Aaron29

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Esco,

You can't have it all. Build to crash it won't fly well. Build to fly it won't crash well.

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11-14-2014 05:28 PM  3 years agoPost 18
Aaron29

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they are fantastic compared to all the "mass production" cp beginners crud out there.
+1

This. So much this.

I'd take an Align over 10 Blade helis any day.

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11-14-2014 05:37 PM  3 years agoPost 19
Cobra 46

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It's all up to the purchaser, it's his or her money and they can spend it anyway they want ! The important fact is THEY ARE FLYING !
And that's what we all like . If you ride a harley is it better than an other brands ?? If you drive a Chevy is it better than ford !! Come on if someone wants to fly a foam turd then at least they are flying ! My son and I ride motocross and it's the same thing ,, this brand this yr that tire !!
Can I Ride a 2006 dirt bike to its potential NOPE !!! If I want a custom hand built bike made for me is it better ?? Who's knows ! If I had one can I keep up with Ricky Carmichael?? Nope ! Not even if he rode no handed and with one eye shut could I keep up with him . Can I fly my helis to ther potential NOPE ! How many of us really can ???? will I ever?? probably not !!! Can I wast money on bling or the newest gadget yep. Is it my choice yep. Do I ask for advic and consider it for my purchases ? Yep ! Do I appreciate it ? you damn right I do ! If that advice comes from someone that flies align helicopters, well I take it less seriously? Absolutely not! My rant is over and I could be wrong but it's how I look at it !!
I have always been fascinated with mechanical flight . It's Beautiful to me.

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11-14-2014 05:57 PM  3 years agoPost 20
Magneto 3D

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Nothing wrong with Align they are a good value and there quality is as good as some of the other over priced kits for what you get, I have owned a few and they were great I had alot of Fun!!

Team Kontronik Germany

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