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11-13-2014 07:36 PM  4 years agoPost 1
TMoore

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This is the result when the multi rotor stabilization takes a dump and you have no LOS skills:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/...ne-with-a-drone

Just a little more and we'll have a mangled bystander as a result.

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11-13-2014 09:23 PM  4 years agoPost 2
whirlyspud

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You could also say that could be what would happen if you had LOS skills but still managed to loose orientation. I know you have seen it as have I.

Mike

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11-13-2014 11:12 PM  4 years agoPost 3
TMoore

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True but from the gist of the article it was pretty clear to me that the flyer depended on the GPS to stabilize the model as opposed to having LOS skills that would have allowed him to fly the model back to the LZ.

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11-14-2014 12:40 AM  4 years agoPost 4
Retired2011

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I almost killed someone with a drone

That's what many drones are meant to do, but he wasn't flying a DRONE

Sorry, but those idiots just don't amuse me!

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11-14-2014 01:00 AM  4 years agoPost 5
EEngineer

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What a moron...

He claims he's trying to save the industry from itself....

By using his poor decision making, I suppose.

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11-14-2014 01:32 AM  4 years agoPost 6
Travis MCH

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This thread comes as a coincidence for me. I live in Texas but just took my wife to San Francisco for her 40th birthday. We were riding bikes in popular Fishermans Warf this past Saturday. There were hundreds of people walking and seeing the sites just like us. Suddenly my wife stopped and pointed to the sky. She heard the hum of the Phantom that was hovering about 50 feet up. I could see a camera mount so I knew the operator had to be near by. As we rode on I spotted the pilot standing in a more open area of the sidewalk. I approached and struck up a conversation. He had video streaming through his cell phone that was attached to the radio and on occasion he reached up and took some still shots. He seemed to be flying line of site rather than FPV style. It was a bit windy being right on the bay but he had good control. He flew up over the crowd and sometimes over the marina. He explained that if he lost signal the quad would automatically fly 20 feet up and then return to home. I'm not sure the flight time he had but he was up there for quite some time. I wanted to stay and convince him to fly over Alcatraz but my wife was giving me "the look" so I knew it was time to move on. Flying electric and nitro helis myself I really knew nothing about the Phantom so it was interesting to me. Had the thing failed he would have hit some people, buildings or a boat. It was probably not the best place in the world to fly now that I think about it.

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11-14-2014 01:36 AM  4 years agoPost 7
EEngineer

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This is the result when the multi rotor stabilization takes a dump and you have no LOS skills:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/...ne-with-a-drone

Just a little more and we'll have a mangled bystander as a result.
I heard that the author used the above article to set the table for another article.

In the 2nd article, that author was crying that drones should be outlawed.

What a clown!

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11-14-2014 01:40 AM  4 years agoPost 8
Einzelganger

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Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like anti-hobbyist propaganda.
Unless someone here knows this guy and he is legit, sounds like an anti-hobby lobbyist. I doubt he's even talking about himself.
I'm becoming cynical in my old age.

Wayne

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11-14-2014 01:42 AM  4 years agoPost 9
EEngineer

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Wouldn't surprise me at all.

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11-14-2014 02:07 AM  4 years agoPost 10
Retired2011

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Wouldn't surprise me at all.
What, that Wayne is becoming cynical?

Wait till you really do get old, Wayne!

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11-14-2014 02:18 AM  4 years agoPost 11
Einzelganger

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Wayne

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RIP Roman

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11-14-2014 02:39 AM  4 years agoPost 12
DougV

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So what's the difference with this guy and a guy a few years ago that was at a park flying a Align 450, lost control and hit a lady that was walking?

Watch at YouTube

How about this one last year?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a85_1363885316

Doug

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11-14-2014 12:02 PM  4 years agoPost 13
Retired2011

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No difference...morons with toys where they should not be.

MR's just make it easy enough that you don't even have to be able to fly to harm someone.

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11-16-2014 04:03 PM  4 years agoPost 14
TMoore

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What say you Uncle Chet?

http://www.wesh.com/news/drone-stri...t-dora/29742352

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11-23-2014 10:11 AM  4 years agoPost 15
matman

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So basically a grown man, with the ability to think for himself and the wherewithal to realize that his skill set is limited and that flying in some areas with that limited skill set is not a good idea.(we all have limits buy the way), wants some else such as the FAA to regulate himself and others who may have a better skills set and are able the distinguish where a good logical area to fly would be. Do we need someone to implement a law and tell us not to jump off of a cliff? No... Do we need someone to regulate the cliff maker and implant a fine to regulate future cliff makers? No... Just a little foresight, common sense, and self control. That is all that is need here folks. And for the ones that seam to need someone to tell you not to do this, or seam to need a fine to make them act right. Consider this your warning. And if you do get out of line pm me and I will give you further instructions and paypal info on where to send your fines to.

"Respect my Authoritiah!"

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11-23-2014 11:28 AM  4 years agoPost 16
Heli_Splatter

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... deleted... no use arguing

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11-23-2014 12:37 PM  4 years agoPost 17
meowguy

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Most may not know that the military use a different GPS system than we civilians have access to. Their system has greater accuracy and better rejection of atmospheric anomalies. The military precision is to 5 decimals of a minute (of latitude) which relates to 6086ft(nautical mile)/100000 = .06 ft. That is 6 hundredths of a foot.

Your little drone on any particular day, with a return home feature, could easily take your head off using civilian GPS which has an accuracy from a maximum of 6 ft. to a minimum of God only knows.

With many sports people are deceived by their familiarity, into thinking they are safer than they have any reasonable right to expect. When bad things happen this becomes all too apparent much too late.

We see this not only with drones, whose operators may never have come in contact with organized R/C flight groups, but with extreme 3D heli pilots flying too close to themselves, over spectators, and other pilots. The latter should know better or have been told along the way how to do it safely.

"Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground." J. Taylor

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11-24-2014 04:30 AM  4 years agoPost 18
matman

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This is really sad the way these people acted as in DougV's post even if it was an accident, (and I don't believe it was). As I posted before we still do not need new laws just a little forsight,common sense, and self control. And there are plenty of laws on the books to deal with the iddeots in that situation.

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11-24-2014 04:39 AM  4 years agoPost 19
EEngineer

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Most may not know that the military use a different GPS system than we civilians have access to. Their system has greater accuracy and better rejection of atmospheric anomalies. The military precision is to 5 decimals of a minute (of latitude) which relates to 6086ft(nautical mile)/100000 = .06 ft. That is 6 hundredths of a foot.
Military grade use 2 freqs., among other things.

Even so, GPS determination of altitude is not as precise as other means because GPS assumes a "spherical earth geoid"...and the earth has terrain....

Another GPS limitation is that the data received from the GPS satellite constellation has a data rate of a whopping 50 bits/sec.

Resulting in lat/long errors if the GPS RX is moving at a significant speed.....

FWIW

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11-24-2014 04:47 AM  4 years agoPost 20
EEngineer

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Another GPS limitation is the "urban canyon" effect....

To calculate a lat/long position, a GPS RX must be have "signal lock" with at least 3 GPS satellites.

If one flies in the reckless manner that these dronidiots fly....let's say mid-town Manhattan....at low altitude, close to street level.....it's GPS RX will lose its capability to know where to go home to....

But, most people don't realize this either.....

When the term GPS is used...it must always work.

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