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12-24-2014 01:13 PM  5 years ago
fastflyer20

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I want performance and reliability, both are currently available in one conversion. That will be the new measuring stick for future gassers.Tom
CAUTION - my posts are based on my experiences, yours may be different.
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12-24-2014 03:37 PM  5 years ago
turboomni

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I want performance and reliability, both are currently available in one conversion. That will be the new measuring stick for future gassers.
Reliability has been there in the past in some brands. The PUH has not gotten any more powerful in recent years so there is only one way to go. Weight. Unless the TSA is much lighter overall than the rest the performance will be about the same. I understand you can get more performance with a tuned pipe or modified muffler etc but you always could in the past. Performance improvement will only be accomplished with lighter weight.
Don't get me wrong I am excited to see a new gasser coming out.
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12-24-2014 03:52 PM  5 years ago
Carey Shurley

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The engine being built Is a 300 that's setup for the needed high rpm operation so it will have more power than the smaller puh versions. I don't know that the model will probably be in the typical weight rangesProprietor - Gas Powered Helicopters
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12-24-2014 03:56 PM  5 years ago
turboomni

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The real proof though is the day to day flying and reliability after the review is long forgotten.
oh I dunno, not everybody lives where there are other models flying or goes to fun flys or huge events like the IRCHA Jamboree or OHB. You can learn a great deal about how a model is designed and manufactured by looking closely at the details of how the finished model looks, how the parts look when its being built, watching them fly in videos and from what is said in the support forums. A lot of people make buying decisions based on the information they have available to them as they may not be able to physically see a model where they live.
After the build videos and reviews are a very distant memory at best the real proof is in the months and years later of people flying the thing. The real problems will rear it's ugly head eventually that were not seen in the beginning. That is where the forums come in as you said. It's interesting to me that I cannot remember any bad reviews from anyone of any heli brought to market,,and yet some turned out to be a nightmare later on and bitched about in the forums.
I would personally never be the first in line for a product anymore based on any review.
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12-24-2014 05:46 PM  5 years ago
Cobra 46

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We need a 4 stoke engine like motocross bikes have, witch in turn came from formula 1 racing . A 250 will turn 12,000 rpm . If it where scaled down could it turn 18,000 ?? With the power of a 2 stoke !!!
That would help the power to weight ratio !!
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12-24-2014 06:44 PM  5 years ago
rbort

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Well the Goblin is nice
Sure sounds reliable which is great, but for me I find it heavy over 1 lb more than needed (the flying ones I weighed were 14.18, 13.88 and 13.75lb) and I don't like the stiff landing gear design with the CF legs, the lack of space and the body parts.

Just my opinion many people like it and its good, I'm just waiting on the other choices out there.

Whatever I choose, reliability and smoothness is #1 for me. I put on alot of airtime I need something that stays in the air, I'm not crashing all the time (hardly usually) and I don't really want a model that is designed to be crashed and repaired often because it won't last. This year I put about 100 hours (not flights) in the air with each of my 3 gassers - I like gassers because they give me time in the air and I want it to be quality time.

-=>Raja.
MA 1005 Hanson 2703D, 4300 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3422 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1890 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 800 flts
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12-29-2014 04:19 AM  5 years ago
turboomni

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Carey Shurley ,,,Said
The reality is that most models are crashed and rebuilt pretty often so I'm not sure long term reliability as we used to think about it is as important any more.
I couldn't disagree with you more. That is BS especially with long term gasser flyers. I frankly can't believe you said
I'm not sure long term reliability as we used to think about it is as important any more.
Why is that Carey,,banking on dumb thumbs before quality?
I guess so. Your statement should be a HF Gasser Thoughts STICKY!!!:
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01-30-2015 04:33 AM  5 years ago
turboomni

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Bump,,,,,,Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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01-30-2015 06:20 AM  5 years ago
RM3

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I'm not sure long term reliability as we used to think about it is as important any more
oh well...
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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02-02-2015 07:19 PM  5 years ago
Carey Shurley

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I come from an FAI background where pilots fly the same model in some cases for years without crashing them. Both reliability and durability played a role in how much time was spent wrenching on them

Its not completely out of the ordinary now to see pilots (especially those really pushing to learn new 3D skills) crash a model more than once in the same day. So those attributes don't come into play as much as they used to whether the model exhibits them or not.

The good news is that most of the current crop of gas helicopters and
conversions are both reliable and durable. Its just less obvious when they meet terra firma on a regular basis
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02-02-2015 08:17 PM  5 years ago
turboomni

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The good news is that most of the current crop of gas helicopters and
conversions are both reliable and durable. Its just less obvious when they meet terra firma on a regular basis
Glad to hear you say that Carey. You had me worried!
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