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11-13-2014 01:00 AM  3 years agoPost 401
EEngineer

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Chicken little is saying that the sky is falling again.

It's what communists...er, I mean progressives do when Republicans win.

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11-13-2014 01:00 AM  3 years agoPost 402
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Just curious, what specific piece(s) of legislation (or party platform ideas) are you referring to that abolishes these protections?
There are many, but two broad categories that come immediately to mind is the conservative hostility towards organized labor. The other would be the insistence of deregulation/Laissez-Faire in the economy.

Those are the two broad areas I'm most acquainted with and the ones I see that could do the most damage.

The Republican party has a long history of hatred of labor unions and they demonize them every chance they get.

And of course deregulation in the markets is what brings us ultimately to the repeated crashes and intensification of economic inequality in our society.

Deregulation seeks specifically to level the legal recourse you have against theft and fraud, for example.

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11-13-2014 01:04 AM  3 years agoPost 403
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Please be much more specific. Site specific examples of actions, provide links to verbiage, show bills that specifically abolish the protections you speak of, etc.

I need much more specific info than your "acquaintance with broad areas" please.

Simply trying to educate myself.

Thanks.

Steve

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11-13-2014 01:19 AM  3 years agoPost 404
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Deregulation seeks specifically to level the legal recourse you have against theft and fraud, for example.
With regards to theft, deregulation doesn't apply at all.

If you were to break into my house to steal, I would shoot you dead.

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11-13-2014 01:27 AM  3 years agoPost 405
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That's absurd.
You think you can walk into my business...work for a while....and then steal my intellectual property? Are you crazy?
I could hire people who specialize in information retrieval. They would take your intellectual property remotely or directly.

Plenty o money spent by big business doing just that.

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11-13-2014 01:32 AM  3 years agoPost 406
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I could hire people who specialize in information retrieval. They would take your intellectual property remotely or directly.

Steve

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11-13-2014 01:33 AM  3 years agoPost 407
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Please be much more specific. Site specific examples of actions, provide links to verbiage, show bills that specifically abolish the protections you speak of, etc.
I need much more specific info than your "acquaintance with broad areas" please.
Of course.
As for labor, One horrific example I remember personally was in 1981 when Ronald Reagan fired 11,000 ATC controllers who had gone on strike. They were demanding pay raises, better working conditions and so on. It finally came to a head when their labor union (PATCO if I recall correctly) called for the strike. A few days later Reagan just simply fired the lot of them and replaced them all with what were essentially "scabs", basically a ganster-level type of action. They were clueless as controllers of course, which led to a really dangerous situation in air traffic control for quite a while.

The funny thing was that PATCO actually supported Reagan's run for president; and Reagan had actually approached them, asking for support!

So RR gave em the big one, in an obviously very angry, retaliatory attack.

I remember it personally; when going into Austin I'd drive by the airport when it was over by I-35 in town. In front of the main terminal, I remember seeing picketers out there, even after the firing. They hung on for a few weeks and then slowly disappeared. I don't know what happened to them.

It kind of goes on from there, but that episode really set the tone for the relationship between the Republican partly and organized labor after that, even up to this day.

The examples of deregulation in the economy are just out there by the zillions. This would go on forever if I tried to cite them all. The repeal of Glass-Steagal that you cited earlier is one from the financial market end of things.

Here's a link that gives a short outline of deregulation in the financial markets also:

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publi...ine-2009-07.pdf

So no, this isn't theoretical, it's a very real threat.

LS

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11-13-2014 01:47 AM  3 years agoPost 408
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What is this "I remember personally" malarkey?

Everyone who remembers anything, it's "personally".

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11-13-2014 01:57 AM  3 years agoPost 409
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What is this "I remember personally" malarkey?
You could study it too - it's called "reading" and "history".

As for me, I was a HS senior in 1981 and I followed the story closely as it was happening, since I had a strong interest in aviation by that time.

I was also following the Reagan administration for other reasons, because I was planning on going to college in '82. He was promising to eliminate a lot of the financial assistance for college students so he had my attention. He did indeed follow through on his promise in the years following, which made my college career much tougher to finance.

RR did a lot of damage to lots of areas of American society, labor and even people of means being able to go to school are two that I'm personally familiar with.

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11-13-2014 02:03 AM  3 years agoPost 410
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OK, so Reagan fired a bunch of people that were breaking the law. Good for him. This country has no place for lawlessness. But, one man's actions do not define an entire party's platform. I think we can all agree on that.

So no specific party platform ideology to quote? No specific legislation (either passed or proposed) that has zero opposition support? Your link is filled with bipartisan action, so it doesnt really pin the Republican platform with the removal of the aforementioned protections you spoke of.

Help a brutha out. Specific examples that show the Republican party, as a whole, wants to remove the aforementioned protections please.

Steve

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11-13-2014 02:13 AM  3 years agoPost 411
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OK, so Reagan fired a bunch of people that were breaking the law.
But the important thing was that it was a blatant attack on an attempt by a labor force to try to improve their situation by organizing. It was the attempt to organize in this way that Reagan was retaliating against.

Labor movements don't typically ask for permission from their employers to organize. That's not how it works.
Good for him. This country has no place for lawlessness.
But sometimes bad laws have to be overturned, especially if they oppress labor. That's the idea behind labor movements.
But, one man's actions do not define an entire party's platform. I think we can all agree on that.
In this case it did, actually. RR is a god among Republicans so his personal hostility towards labor unions, as exemplified here, definitely trickled down (so to speak) to the rest of the party.
So no specific party platform ideology to quote? No specific legislation (either passed or proposed) that has zero opposition support? Your link is filled with bipartisan action, so it doesnt really pin the Republican platform with the removal of the aforementioned protections you spoke of.
Help a brutha out. Specific examples that show the Republican party, as a whole, wants to remove the aforementioned protections please.
I think you have enough to work with at this point. Think deregulation, "too big to fail", trickle-down/supply-side economics, regressive tax systems and Laissez-Faire. You'll find those are favorites of conservatives in the US.

LS

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11-13-2014 02:14 AM  3 years agoPost 412
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You could study it too - it's called "reading" and "history".

As for me, I was a HS senior in 1981 and I followed the story closely as it was happening, since I had a strong interest in aviation by that time.
Really...interest in aviation....wow

While you were a senior, I already had two EE degrees and was designing spacecraft hardware/software.

Because you flunked college doesn't make you an expert on what you didn't study.

Your versions of history won't stand up to any scrutiny.

Oh, you meant liberal history.

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11-13-2014 02:17 AM  3 years agoPost 413
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Oh, you meant liberal history.
No, I mean history history. Not the dogma of your political party. Try it, you may be quite surprised at what you discover.

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11-13-2014 02:27 AM  3 years agoPost 414
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Oh, you mean like Marx, Engels, and Lenin.

I have...but I think they're foolish, like I think you are.

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11-13-2014 02:33 AM  3 years agoPost 415
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Oh, you mean like Marx, Engels, and Lenin.
Those are good reads too, especially Marx and Engals. Their treatments of capitalism are actually very good. The Communist Manifesto should be required reading for anyone who's interested in the history of capitalism and even labor/labor organization. It's a short document, so even you could get through it easily.

Communism.....meh... not so much, I'm not real down with Communism, Karl went a leeetle overboard there...... But if you really want to learn about Capitalism, he's an ironically good source of information.

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11-13-2014 02:36 AM  3 years agoPost 416
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So no specific examples then?

Steve

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11-13-2014 02:36 AM  3 years agoPost 417
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Figures....

Learned capitalism from communists.

Who, BTW, never worked a day in their wretched lives.

What baloney.

LMAO

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11-13-2014 02:38 AM  3 years agoPost 418
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So no specific examples then?
Already gave em to you.

LS

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11-13-2014 02:41 AM  3 years agoPost 419
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Learned capitalism from communists.
As opposed to you who learned it from.... nowhere!
Who, BTW, never worked a day in their wretched lives.
What baloney.
But they thought more thoughts in just one paper than you seem to have in your entire life.

LS

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11-13-2014 02:49 AM  3 years agoPost 420
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Just what I expected from your ilk.

LMAO at you

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