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08-19-2014 08:59 PM  3 years agoPost 101
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But, not with a nasty, foul mouthed little turd that gets off putting people down just because they believe. That is no way to make friends and influence people.
Denny, Post me up a couple of cartoons. It takes a respected, mature individual to post 5000 derogatory cartoons.

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08-19-2014 09:12 PM  3 years agoPost 102
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Ok Wave you've given us evolutionary primate history, which is true, valid, and correct; but earlier you'd mentioned the 100 million years of bloodshed by evolved primates directed at each other (namely, homo sapiens sapiens) as a result of their inventing, and then chasing, sap-sucking fairytales and their so-called "dieties".

I just inferred, fom this, that you meant that these euphemistically named "religions" were a big load of b.s., and did a whole lot more harm than good.

Was I wrong?

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08-19-2014 09:18 PM  3 years agoPost 103
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Wouldn't the world be a far better place, run by rational-thinking athiests, who would employ their superior intellect, instead of chasing fairytales, as these so-called "believers" do?
Humanity may just have a chance if that happened.
I hear ya on that one, bro! And just who might these rational-thinking/ non-believing/ superior-intellect folks be?

Can you give us some names, or are you just speaking in the abstract/ conceptually?

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08-19-2014 09:25 PM  3 years agoPost 104
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I just inferred, fom this, that you meant that these euphemistically named "religions" were a big load of b.s., and did a whole lot more harm than good.
Well...yes they have done great harm.

From the dark ages, where there was no art, science, music, literature, philosophy, democracy, of any kind for several hundred years.

To the inquisition and holy wars, and continued demonization of art, science, literature.

To the christian missionaries spreading smallpox and wiping out entire civilizations.

..and continued to religious wars to this day.

But...I guess you could say religion offered people hope along the way.

Hope in the midst of bloodshed and oppression.

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08-19-2014 10:36 PM  3 years agoPost 105
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I didn't blame teaching abstinence I blamed teaching that condoms that have been proven to stop the transmission of STD's are evil to be the problem. Teaching abstinence is stupid it's unnatural and goes against our evolutionary programing, abstinence clearly doesn't work HIV is spreading in less devolved countries. The church in this case has the influence to promote the use of condoms yet instead condemn using them. So yes the church is responsible for the spread of HIV and the deaths of millions.
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That's the point hoggy they don't teach unmarried folks to not use condoms. They teach them abstinance. They only teach married couples not to use condoms as birth control. I don't agree with them exactly on this point but you should have a chat with esco ,he seems to be the resident know it all when it comes to jerking off and conception prevention.

Secondlly if they did you should rejoice as it is supporting evolution and natural selection by killing off the weak is it not? I don't understand your support for even today's medicine as it too does do the same thing. It all disrupts the natural way of evolution. After all who are we to disturb the " force " of nature.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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08-19-2014 11:38 PM  3 years agoPost 106
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But...I guess you could say religion offered people hope along the way. Hope in the midst of bloodshed and oppression.
Wave, I must say- I'm a bit confused with your thesis.

Let's see if I have this right, ie, your view of so-called "religion"-

It:

A) Is the root cause of much bloodshed, many wars, and much oppression; while at the same time,

B) It offers hope in the midst of said bloodshed and oppression.

[end quote]

So your overarching conclusion is...what?

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08-20-2014 12:00 AM  3 years agoPost 107
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So your overarching conclusion is...what?
My conclusion would be that " religion " is irrational and illogical, while morality and ethics, and a hope in a greater good remain viable.

We need to evolve our thinking, and always seek the truth. Mysticism and magic belong in a book of fiction.

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08-20-2014 12:13 AM  3 years agoPost 108
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We need to evolve our thinking, and always seek the truth. Mysticism and magic belong in a book of fiction.
So ah.

What are you going to do about it except bitch like a little old woman and get your panties in a wad over something you claim does not even exist?

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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08-20-2014 12:25 AM  3 years agoPost 109
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What are you going to do about it except bitch like a little old woman and get your panties in a wad over something you claim does not even exist?
I could start posting derogatory religious cartoons.

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08-20-2014 12:34 AM  3 years agoPost 110
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Go for it.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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08-20-2014 01:29 AM  3 years agoPost 111
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My conclusion would be that " religion " is irrational and illogical,
Fair enough- many intellectuals share this view- I hope you include youself in this camp as well.
while morality and ethics, and a hope in a greater good remain viable.
That's a bit generic/ general. Let's break it down: define the "greater good" - whose? Specifically- what is a "greater good"?
We need to evolve our thinking, and always seek the truth.
Fair enough again. But this, too, is a bit banal. Let's break it down: define the "truth" - whose? Specifically- what is a "truth"?

I see you've given this subject some thought. But your earlier conjectures were "He [ie, some imaginary deity] instilled his fears and ignorance in you, so that you could perpetuate 100 million years of bloodshed and violence"

and

"To the christian missionaries spreading smallpox and wiping out entire civilizations"

100M years of bloodshed, and extinguished civilizations are stout claims. Pls elaborate by sharpening your replies to the generalities above.

Good stuff- can't wait!!

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08-20-2014 06:24 AM  3 years agoPost 112
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See" we can pray until we faint if we don't get up and try to do something GOD isn't going to fix our lunch, no need to run and no need to stand 'saying we are not going to fet in the mess for if your born in America with With a black face your already in a mess,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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08-20-2014 02:46 PM  3 years agoPost 113
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Most do not KNow or have never met their father's could be One of 6-5 men or Great Uncle Amos. Raised by GREAT GRANDMA or a Middle School.

Maybe the BLACK or WHITE MAN have abandon their Wife's or SEX mate and Children looking for ever legal avenue they can too to escape responsibility of self accountability or CHEATING with excuses.

Usually leaving them in un told Debt, raising children alone almost starving == then spend their lives on the Street Hustle Getting SHot UP with $80.00 Gun's making $$$$ or Bank selling Drug's as SMAK Daddies to end up in a cage with a bone or ring in their nose.

MEanwile the mother play's Bed room to Bank Account seeking the golden ring --then Pregnant AGAIN with #6. Feeding them 60 Day Old Frozen Pop Tart's.

Each child with a different last name of Birth all look different

In between ?? Planned Parent HOOD : CASH BABY

Maybe she brought home food from Quick trip after last Nites DATE with Uncle Amo's Brother to learn her 14 Year Old is Pregnant.

AND FIND"S : The House is full of 17-18 year Old BOYS with the toilet plugged with beer can's.

REAL

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08-20-2014 03:49 PM  3 years agoPost 114
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Fair enough again. But this, too, is a bit banal. Let's break it down: define the "truth" - whose? Specifically- what is a "truth"?
Scientific truth, backed by application of the scientific method, and open for all to prove or disprove.

Certainly not the truth according to a mystic or magician.
I see you've given this subject some thought. But your earlier conjectures were "He [ie, some imaginary deity] instilled his fears and ignorance in you, so that you could perpetuate 100 million years of bloodshed and violence"
I was simply referring to the evolution of the primate from the wee little Lemur I'm fond of posting, to the modern day primate, homo sapien. Nature is cruel, and unforgiving, it requires that the animal kill or be killed.
Unfortunately we have maintained our animal desires in our modern " civilized " world. Quite possibly we have actually de evolved, as we kill now not for necessity but rather for obscure concepts, greed, avarice, and stupidity...and of course mystical Gods and magical biblical incantations.
To the christian missionaries spreading smallpox and wiping out entire civilizations"
FYI : 95% of indigenous peoples in the Americas were wiped out by smallpox. Was it strictly the missionaries that were responsible ? probably not. Manifest destiny had a lot to do with it. Certainly did not stop the priests and nuns from helping to destroy their culture, language, music, and indoctrinating the natives into " civilized " god fearing puppets.
That's a bit generic/ general. Let's break it down: define the "greater good" - whose? Specifically- what is a "greater good"?
The greater good is something that benefits world society as a whole, free of political ideology, nation state greed, individual greed, mystical mania, corporate greed, magical incantation, etc.

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08-20-2014 04:10 PM  3 years agoPost 115
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Awesome reply...I see you have a strong secular religion-free vision.
The greater good is something that benefits *world society* as a whole, free of political ideology, nation state greed, individual greed, mystical mania, corporate greed, magical incantation, etc.
So you think that once belief in sap-sucking fairytales goes away, along with all the destruction it's responsible for, that we'll achieve this "greater good" ie, Utopia?

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08-20-2014 04:35 PM  3 years agoPost 116
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The greater good is something that benefits world society as a whole, free of political ideology, nation state greed, individual greed, mystical mania, corporate greed, magical incantation, etc.
There is no such thing as the "greater good" as only a few will profit from it meaning the "greater good" turns into the "greatest evil".

The only thing that matters is the freedom of man. Once that is achieved the "greatest evil" cannot survive.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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08-20-2014 05:06 PM  3 years agoPost 117
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Greater Good - World Society : WWTDD

International Bed Bug Entitlement More Free Share Any Ware Program
IBBE-MF-SAWP
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Pretty close too having :
MCS
Minor Chronic Syndrome :

You can get Workman's or Mental disability assistance FROM SAM

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08-23-2014 03:07 PM  3 years agoPost 118
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So you think that once belief in sap-sucking fairytales goes away, along with all the destruction it's responsible for, that we'll achieve this "greater good" ie, Utopia?
Probably not.

We are evolved primates after all.

It has nothing to do with " utopia " by the way. Cooperation for the survival of the planet, and survival of the species is simply logical.

What we do not need, is the continued decision making by a small group of oligarchs, of who lives and who dies, of who prospers, and who gets oppressed.

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08-23-2014 03:34 PM  3 years agoPost 119
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NAtion of { WE THE PEOPLE } whom is a Citizen and Whom is NOT:

Who get's Fed and Whom does Not - WHO belong's and Whom does Not.

Who has OWNERSHIP - Regardless of paper and Cyber Credit -

You cannot move Industrial Economic bases and Agriculture Out of the Country even though Hugh Block's have been purchased with Cyber Cartoon

In a Democracy the system run's from the Bottom UP ^

THE VOTE : It is NOT a Communist Socialist Country run by a Emperor or Dictator nor a installed Minion.

It is a Judea / Christian Democratic Sovereign Nation based on Capitalism - NOT Socialism : Exclusive to the Global Community -

Unique in it self in which Others SEEk to Migrate - Too leave THEIR Home land - For reason's plainly evident

a AT Will / Free Will Civilization :

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08-23-2014 04:25 PM  3 years agoPost 120
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What we do not need, is the continued decision making by a small group of oligarchs, of who lives and who dies, of who prospers, and who gets oppressed.
Yeah, I hear ya on that...so who are these folks? A shadow cabal, or can you name some names for us?

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