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07-06-2014 03:37 PM  6 years ago
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Wmacky

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10 years gone!
So I've been gone for about 10 years. I didn't miss anything right?
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07-06-2014 03:51 PM  6 years ago
HeimD

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There were a few short lived fads like 2.4GHz and FBL but, no, you didn't miss much at all.
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07-06-2014 04:03 PM  6 years ago
Wmacky

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Excellent. Time to break out the Nexxus, and Concept 30!
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07-06-2014 04:13 PM  6 years ago
jschenck

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you have a few N vs E threads to catch up on

https://rc.runryder.com/t625538p1/
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07-06-2014 04:15 PM  6 years ago
wrongler

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What! No wooden blades?Bill Whittaker
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07-06-2014 05:17 PM  6 years ago
jackp332

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I have a few of the Latest Raptor 30's (The hottest thing goin right now) for sale. Please PM me for a great deal
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07-06-2014 05:24 PM  6 years ago
MobileRaptor

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I'm just coming back from a 8 year break. The biggest thing that has change about the hobby is money!!!!

My old Raptor 30 V1 converted to a 50V2 would fly with five cheap servos a piezo Gyro and a good set of fiberglass or the top of the line $60.00 carbon blades. We were happy with backwards flight, rolls, loops and being able to auto it down. We could make the planks guys stand in wonder of what we could do with our little mix masters.

My top of the line bird was MA X-Cell Graphite 99 spec SE with an OS-61WC. Futaba 9202's were the top of the line and 401 heading hold gyro and the JR G5000T Were the best of the best. This helicopter was so smooth it was like flying a pattern plane and if it was set up properly would hover pretty much hands off.

The MA Fury 50's and 60's had just come out and Futaba had just released to S9252's the all new digital servo.

The biggest thing you had to learn was throttle management or install a GV-1 with also was pretty new at the time.

In all actuality the new helicopters them selves are simpler. Flybars and mixing arm are almost gone. Direct drive servos have brought control rods down to almost none compared to the old SE's.

New Servos have to be in the .010 speed range or better to keep up with the flybarless controllers and you need 100 to 200 ounce inches of torque. It easy to exceed the cost of the helicopter with the cost of just the servos. The flybar controllers can range from a couple of hundred to a couple of thousand depending on how much of the helicopter you want to fly and how much you want it to fly. Don't get me wrong, bail out and come home are some nice features. They are even some that will self bail out if the GPS says it's getting to low.

120 size engines have taken the place of what we use to fly 60 size engines in with pretty much the same weight.

Anyway. I felt like typing this morning and this was the post that got it.
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07-06-2014 06:41 PM  6 years ago
Wmacky

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Wow, I'm starting to get the taste!

Bad news is everything I have is obsolete!

I'm sure the engines on the 30's are seized by now, and my 8UHP won't work with the new helis.I still have a Xcell Gasser, but it's been store for 15 years in a leaky shed. Probably would need to be tossed......

I do still have a Phoenix Sim, and tools.

I love nitro, but perhaps a T-rex to start with? I'd really like that new 18MZ radiobut good God that price! Perhaps the Futaba 14 ch instead?
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07-06-2014 07:04 PM  6 years ago
tadawson

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Hmmm . . . let's see . . .

First, the Chinese have driven almost all the quality brands out of business.

The tiny stuff flown by folks with far less skill/investment in the hobby abound.

The older stuff did not suddenly forget how to fly, and parts are generally available.

There has been a lemming-like migration to 2.4GHz radios, although they are *NOT* the end-all the mfg's were whoring them out as.

72MHz still works perfectly well unless you fly in a bad RF environment.

A lot of the new helis have gone to 3 axis electronic gyros instead of flybars.

Flybars still fly just fine.

The lemmings have also charged to electric power, I suspect mainly since a lot of folks could not master glow . . . but it does make sense on the small stuff at least . . .

Glow still works perfectly fine, and fuel is readily available.

The bottom line is that there is no need to rebuy anything, unless you want to, despite what the lemming mindset might encourage.

Obsolesence is concept created in the mind of an potential customer to try and sell you something. Get new stuff when you *want* to, not because somebody feeds you BS about everything you have being crap. It worked the last time you flew it, and still will, and would be an excellent, comfortable place to start getting back into to hobby.

- Tim
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07-06-2014 11:38 PM  6 years ago
jackp332

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MobileRaptor, tadawson- excellent, thoughtful posts. I enjoyed the read.
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07-07-2014 03:00 AM  6 years ago
vfinohio

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Just a thought but your 8UHP should be able to use a FASST 2.4 Tx module which would get you started and save you some money. The Xcell gasser you might be able to at least sell for a little money for parts since they are no longer made. Oh yeah, since you have an Xcell, MA has closed since you've been gone!
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07-07-2014 04:08 AM  6 years ago
jschenck

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Perhaps the Futaba 14 ch instead?
I have the Futaba 14SG-H and highly recommend the radio as THE radio to have in Futaba's line. The 18MZ is a nice rig but it's really pricey so for the money opinion is the 14SG is the one to have.

I would not even consider any of the other Futaba radios outside those two (the 14SG and 18MZ) - they are the only radios that can fly FHSS, FaSST and FaSSTest protocols. You have your choice of inexpensive FHSS receivers (or even the BTF stuff out there that is FHSS based) or the standard Futaba FaSST. If you want to try telemetry FaSSTest is the protocol.

Having all three protocols is the sole reason I'd recommend the 14SG and no other Futaba radio (again other than the 18MZ).

Now if you want to have a discussion about other brands.
JR XG14 and Spektrum DX9 are nice sets.
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07-07-2014 04:30 AM  6 years ago
Wmacky

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Yeah the 14SG-h would probally be the one, but now I see the Jeti thing. What a radio! $1500 is still pricey, but much more doable than $3000
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07-07-2014 04:32 AM  6 years ago
Wmacky

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MA is gone!????
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07-07-2014 04:52 AM  6 years ago
jschenck

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Jeti is also nice - really built. The aluminum chassis looks and feels amazing.

MA is gone as of this year.
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07-07-2014 06:29 AM  6 years ago
tadawson

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Yup, MA went out this Feb, but still a fair amount of parts out there. One of the big victims of cheap offshore crap . . .

- Tim
Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .
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07-07-2014 06:46 AM  6 years ago
RogerRabbit62

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I am in the same boat.

Was out for 10Y, now i am addicted again.

Have a T18MZ (do not think, buy. The High End Futaba 10Y ago was same price compared to the income).

I have renovated the old ships with new servos and electronics, changed some to 3 Blades and FBL.

Flying is easy compared to FB, especially skids up.

It is a lot of fun, but still expensive.

Nitro price has skyrocket, but flying lipo isn't cheap either.

If you want a cheap, reliable bird, comparable to the old 90s, go for some 8s or 10s electric and fly it at 1200 RPM.

That is a nice "funflyer" with moderate costs.

Have fun !
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07-07-2014 12:36 PM  6 years ago
MobileRaptor

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I have the Futaba 14SG-H and highly recommend the radio as THE radio to have in Futaba's line. The 18MZ is a nice rig but it's really pricey so for the money opinion is the 14SG is the one to have.
The Futaba 14SG-h is the first thing I purchase when I jumped back in. I got rid of my Helicopters because I knew they wound get out dated. But, what really hurt was my Futaba 9ZAW-WC2 and my JR 10x which I kept are outdated. Yes I could buy a 2.4 module for them but by the time I purchased the module, new battery's and a receiver I was almost at the price of the 14SG-H.

Plus I'm running an iCon FB controller and most of the set-up is in The Controller and there is very little set-up actually in the radio.

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07-07-2014 03:35 PM  6 years ago
Rudy

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Yeah the 14SG-h would probally be the one, but now I see the Jeti thing. What a radio! $1500 is still pricey, but much more doable than $3000
The Jeti DS 16 has all the features now that all radios will have in 5 years.

As you have been out now for 10 years, you will be replacing all of your radio gear. So suck it up pick a nice radio and run with it. Helicopters get crashed and scrapped. A good transmitter lasts many years.
Rudy Ackerman Houston TX/Bend OR
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07-07-2014 06:39 PM  6 years ago
Wmacky

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OK, did some research, and I really want a Jeti radio now. I want the Euro styled DC-16 model, made for tray use, as that's my favorite way to fly. I've never cared for current 1990's onward radio styling, with the bulky plastic Transformer look. I prefer the wide flat tray style. Love the looks too.

Any reason not to go that way?
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