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07-05-2014 02:21 AM  6 years ago
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tommytt1

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Mayday Mayday
I found this interesting
http://pol.moveon.org/maydaypac.htm...686-yIQfgqx&t=2
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07-05-2014 05:41 AM  6 years ago
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I noticed he could not stay away from "climate change" in his talk.

While he had valid points, his left driven agenda was apparent and that hurt his message.

His idea of building a Super Pac to end Super Pacs is odd. He is asking people to donate money to a Super Pac to change congress without even hinting as changing to what.

Does he plan to change congress to the left...to the right...or to what?
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07-06-2014 01:11 PM  6 years ago
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The way I took it is, its fighting fire with fire. The change is raising money or favoritism. Large Corporations, an Other Countries have very large sums of money and basically can buy any legislation they want. America has the best government money can buy.

The Federal Court System Has upheld Citizens' Unite (Which Hasn't any thing to do with Citizens at all), and has kept it possible for deep pocket interests to Buy favoritism in legislation. Its really out of control.

We may disagree about climate change, even though with my own eyes have seen it first hand the extreme weather phenomenon. We can agree that Money is running our government............
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07-06-2014 02:50 PM  6 years ago
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fwiw....
"America has the best government money can buy."
See! They were right....Buying power of the dollar HAS shrunk!.......

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07-06-2014 03:08 PM  6 years ago
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We may disagree about climate change, even though with my own eyes have seen it first hand the extreme weather phenomenon. We can agree that Money is running our government............
I agree. Money is what is behind the climate change hoax too. You can buy any "scientists" and have them make up any data that you want, for any reason that you want. And then sell it to the criminals in the government. Who will then tax it to raise more money for them to give to their cronies that put them in government in the first place!

Just all great arguments for limiting the Federal Government to what the constitution set it as in the first place.
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!
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07-06-2014 05:38 PM  6 years ago
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Baby. I'm not trying to be a wiseguy, nor is the thread about climate change, but have you noticed the extreme weather worldwide? Your in the Midwest noticed more Tornadoes? I live in nj, and witnessed Hurricane Sandy. Wow that storm was scary ( I don't scare easily ).i live 50 miles inland, and witnessed trees big and small snapped in half roofs blown off, flooding, houses floating away, houses ripped off of there foundation, the ocean ripping through the middle of barrier islands (Long Island, Staten Island, Long Beach Island) that are heavily built and populated. Heavier rain and snowfall, Higher temperatures, lower temperatures.
I don't need a weatherman or scientist to convince me of that...........
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07-06-2014 05:54 PM  6 years ago
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I live in nj, and witnessed Hurricane Sandy. Wow that storm was scary ( I don't scare easily ).i live 50 miles inland, and witnessed trees big and small snapped in half roofs blown off, flooding, houses floating away, houses ripped off of there foundation, the ocean ripping through the middle of barrier islands (Long Island, Staten Island, Long Beach Island) that are heavily built and populated. Heavier rain and snowfall, Higher temperatures, lower temperatures.
I don't need a weatherman or scientist to convince me of that...........
The thing you are missing is that the same thing has happened before. You just did not happen to be alive at the time.

Check your history. East coast hurricanes happen and have happened in the past.

Just because you witnessed it does not mean its the only one that ever happened.
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07-06-2014 06:13 PM  6 years ago
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Yes, these weather cycles happen all of the time. I am old enough to have seen some of them in the past and I can remember that the weather twenty years ago was almost exactly what we have now.
I could regale you with many examples but like you said, that is not what this thread is about. I only mentioned it because you did first.
I just would like to say don't let the Chicken Littles get you too worked up as they are just trying to keep their government funding flowing by spreading stories that fit their agendas.

When looking at anything to do with the government, look for the corruption first and you should be able to understand what they are really trying to do.
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07-06-2014 06:36 PM  6 years ago
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Here's a GOOD Climate Change Idea !!!
Let's whip up some of them POLAR VORTEX's - Send Em to the Middle East and make it Rain a couple of Day's just after them Vortexes get em.

Completely Screw Up Obama's Food Based Economy. Then ask if they would like to purchase some COAL for HEAT ! and Cooking

All their Cucumbers and Olives with Shrink-up and fall OFF !!

SHRINKAGE !!! The Media say's so

Then we can sell em Hockey Stick's !
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07-06-2014 07:22 PM  6 years ago
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My own personal experience only dates back 45 years, but my father is 85 and he said he has never seen anything like it. I know there have been other bad hurricanes in the past, but none on the east coast as severe or as far inland, at least since they have been recorded.
I n saying all of that, what's wrong with cleaning up the air or environment. Nothing is wrong with that at all.
Grey eagle please try and ad something legible to the masses.

This topic is about real people having influence in government and possibly getting it done. No matter what your party or political preference our government is being run by billionaires. Are any of you a billionaires?
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07-06-2014 07:24 PM  6 years ago
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07-06-2014 08:29 PM  6 years ago
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The way I took it is, its fighting fire with fire. The change is raising money or favoritism. Large Corporations, an Other Countries have very large sums of money and basically can buy any legislation they want. America has the best government money can buy.
I hear you. My concern is which way is this guy going? Will I like his direction? His mentioning climate change showed me he has a left leaning agenda.

To do this sort of thing and expect support from me requires the clear agenda of removing "government for sale".

For example: you and I differ on climate change. I'm almost seventy and have seen the extremes of weather come and go, but my personal vision doesn't include the "ice age". That being said, I know climate changes every day, but I distrust people who manipulate data and politics to achieve their goals.

Furthermore, you and I could agree to disagree on issues like climate change unless you feel climate change is so important it can't separated. If we agree to disagree on issues such as climate change, abortion, Obamacare, illegals, education, foreign aid, gun rights, IRS, and any other daily matters, and mutually decide to focus on "honesty in government", we could have grounds to work with.

Suppose "honesty in government" were the only issue that your speaker covered and made the commitment that would be the only goal? He never gave me that feeling.

Wouldn't "honesty in government" be good enough to start with, and then deal with the issues in a logical, honest, law abiding manner?
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07-06-2014 08:51 PM  6 years ago
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Piece of Cake ! You HAve NO Clue - OUR Polution / Manufacturing Std's ARE :
The absolute stinking envy of the WORLD !!!!

THEY HAVE POISONED THEMSELVES : DID IT TO THEM SELVES
Contaminated their Soil's and Potable Water !! Their VERY OWN POPULATION

THEY COULD NOT STEAL IT - Pollution Control is UN Heard of THere in the Bamboo Palace Kingdom.

If you carry a I Phone 5- : That plastic resin processing and solvent to manufacture has raised HAVOC on the worker.

Every Thing from Arsenic in Florida Imported Sheet Rock or in their Imported Doggie Kibble. They Crap and BATHE in the SAME water with the animal's. Heavy CHROME's in their Noodles and Rice Swamp's as their Industrial Revolution spew's it onto the ground.

Hint EVEN THE BIBLE : Tell's You to Bury your POOP !!

Wonder what they do with the Bodies ' ?? Ever think about it ??
Check the Population of Where they are EXODUS FROM ??? To come here.

They have Birth Defect's in Asia { China ECT } That would make your HEAD SPIN. NO- BIRD's in the Cities -They WEAR MASK"s on the Infant's.

70 Cities with Over a Million Population- Where do they stack the Dead One's ??

Then ask why the Middle East Cannot even PERFECT Water Distribution and Purification ? They BUILT on the Edges of the water Way's - Got a MAP ?? Ever seen India or Pakistan ?

They cannot even keep Paint on the Building sheet in the Industrialized area's : Their Problem ------

We perfected electrostatic participators in our stack's / Bagg Houses in our manufacturing processes and Re- Claim of just about EVERYTHING that gasses off -and turned it --- make into a profit generator.

Even our Boiler Slag and POOP ! Your Roofing Granules and your Milorginite Fertilizer and product's such as Ironite.

Even our FLy ASH from Coal Burning Turbines goes into our asphalt and running track's.

I n saying all of that, what's wrong with cleaning up the air or environment. Nothing is wrong with that at all.
Grey eagle please try and ad something legible to the masses.
This topic is about real people having influence in government and possibly getting it done. No matter what your party or political preference our government is being run by billionaires.
WHy do you think we must ship mass quantity of Crop and Produce out of our Country ?? They killed their Soil and contaminated their Water. Killing their population

Ever Eat any thing PROCESSED from THEIR Country and it smell's like Paint ?? or tastes like battery Acid ??

IT IS THEIR PROBLEM -- SO CRIPPLE OUR INDUSTRY ??? With EPA MANDATE ??

NOT OUR PROBLEM - So what are we too do for THEM ?? Shut down our Plant's ??? = Or let them come and eat the bark off the tree's ??

Send EM HOME to FIGURE IT OUT - Instead of STEAL our Technology.

Intellectual Property IS PROPERTY : OUR's

Tommy you need to go figure how to install a activated charcoal filter on the Azz of a COW :

a EPA Mandate to Defeat a Nation : and infiltrate a population so they can FEED
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WHEN the General Motor's : GREY IRON FOUNDRIES where running making engine casting's - YOU could go to work wearing a white T- Shirt: At the End of the Day ?? It was still White : Air change over's in 30 Acre plant's 3 Times Hour Minimum.

Ever seen the interior of some of their facilities ? You need a Lead Lined Moon Suit and a full Body Condom.
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07-06-2014 11:05 PM  6 years ago
tommytt1

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Dilberteinstein,

Putting any and all issues aside, I think its worth a try one time. I'm sure if it works any and all fringe groups will do the same thing and then everyone will get some influence. I really think its worth the $3 to find out if it works this one time......

R Hudson,

If it is true, You have more money than you could ever spend or your family for that matter, and I bet you try and make more every day even on sundays. So do the world a favor and kill yourself........

GreyEagle,

I read your post once this time and understood it! Thanks
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07-06-2014 11:51 PM  6 years ago
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Tommy there is no direct evidence that climate change was a factor in sandy. However there is a very real concern that increases in ocean temp may result in more frequent and more violent hurricanes. This is research that may take years to produce a supportable theory but certainly cannot be dismissed as a natural cycle. Anyone who says that doesn't have a clue even what the 3 % of detractors are saying. It's fascinating subject that has been politicized because of gores association. Frankly I dont know why these guys aren't questioning tectonics or cancer research.
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07-07-2014 12:04 AM  6 years ago
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Putting any and all issues aside, I think its worth a try one time.
I'm with you. I just didn't get the non agenda feeling from the speaker.

I watched the whole thing and he wasn't wrong...I would like to hear his being more adamant about non partisanship and how this money would be controlled.

He was good about leaving the doors open for pondering...I'm just the suspicious sort...but I am the type that will jump on the band wagon once I convinced it ain't on the highway to hades.

But it is about time this type of thought gets going.
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07-07-2014 03:21 AM  6 years ago
tommytt1

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Koppter, +1

Dilberteinstein, here is another vid. Check it out
http://pol.moveon.org/maydaypac.htm...686-yIQfgqx&t=4
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07-07-2014 05:13 AM  6 years ago
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Dilberteinstein, here is another vid. Check it out
Color me goofy, but when I clicked on the link, the same video came up.

I've watched some other videos of Lawrence Lessig. Here's one where he identifies himself as a Progressive supporting Elena Kagan's Supreme Court Nomination.

Watch at YouTube

Lessig is an Obama voter which makes me suspicious of his intentions.

Admittedly, his Progressiveness and supporting of Obama does not mean he can't have honorable and good ideas.

But I am still hung up with the direction of money. I'm a conservative and he is a Progressive Democrat. Will he fund people to support election reform while also supporting Progressive ideals? Or will he fund party neutral candidates that pledge to not support the two parties?

You see, his comment about "climate change" has me wondering if he can really support a non party.

For instance: if I were a candidate dedicated to election reform but also pledged to vote against abortion while the other candidate was a total Progressive in favor of election reform, who would he support?

I don't have to have a mini me to support, but I don't want to help someone who agrees with me on election reform, but is 180 degrees on every other issue.

I'm concerned he may be too embedded with Progressive Democrat ideals to release those ideals to accomplish the election reform.

I would need some real straight talk from him about political party neutrality.
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07-07-2014 06:35 PM  6 years ago
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Forget all of the issues for a moment. Its all about the experiment.I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?
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07-07-2014 06:43 PM  6 years ago
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The experiment id failing, big time.Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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