RunRyder RC
 15  Topic Subscribe
WATCH
 3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ] 4104 views POST REPLY
HomeAircraftHelicopterAlignT-REX 700N › align strikes again! RANT!!
06-25-2014 10:02 PM  3 years agoPost 1
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

V1 V2 V3 V4 V5 V6 V7 V8 V infinity versions of parts!

So I'm rebuilding a 700N LE and I'm starting to hate liFe!
Every single part i order for this thing is wrong!

ALIGN STRIKES AGAIN!!

Ive been ordering NON DFC parts for the 700N and it appears align has changed so much on this heli that virtually nothing works
The servo links are no longer the same. The elevator A arm is no longer the same etc etc
The list goes on! I have now placed 11 orders with amain in a week and still don't have all the correct parts!

Here is the latest!

Align decided that it would be a great idea to make the 700N fuel tank thinner. Thats right the plastic is now thinner. Im not talking about the dfc tank which is totally different but the good old 700N tank thinner! So now those of use with original LE tanks who go off and order new fuel tank bungs, well yea you guessed it. They don't fit
The new bungs groove to sit in the tank is much more narrow then the old style. So when you push it in it does not seat correctly. So now i get to place my 12th order this week at $5 a shot in shipping and order a new fuel tank. To top that off, i now get to take the entire heli apart to put it in that i just finished building! Wohoooo!!!

RANT OVER!

This is me giving you the finger align!!
Anyone wanna buy a 700n

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
06-25-2014 10:27 PM  3 years agoPost 2
dchekas

rrKey Veteran

Farmington, CT

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The elevator "A" arm hasn't changed in a way that would prevent you from using it on the Nitro, nor have the servo linkage rods or links.

Sounds to me like you ordered the 700E parts. The 700E V2 had a slightly different "A" arm assembly, and the servo links were a different length IIRC.

I'm not certain what you're referring to with the fuel tank and the plug.

The 700N is a 6 year old helicopter at this point. It's not that unreasonable that updates and new parts would have been released for it at this point in time.

A good reference for the correct, up to date, respective parts is Align's US distributer, http://www.alignrcusa.com/

Align also has parts finder on their website, http://shop.align.com.tw/partfinder.php?language=en

If in doubt, feel free to PM myself or other Align pilots on here. More than happy to help clarify a P/N.

Team Align, Team Futaba, Team Byron Fuels, Team Thunder Power

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-25-2014 10:29 PM  3 years agoPost 3
AWittleWabbit

rrElite Veteran

O.C., CA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Don't hold it in!
It's hard but you gotta master letting it all out, speak your mind!

I wish Align would keep a database of model compatible parts! The 450 alone would fill a book. This is a good thing, provided you know what parts fit.

Heli-itis sufferer.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-25-2014 11:05 PM  3 years agoPost 4
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The elevator "A" arm hasn't changed in a way that would prevent you from using it on the Nitro, nor have the servo linkage rods or links.
Sounds to me like you ordered the 700E parts. The 700E V2 had a slightly different "A" arm assembly, and the servo links were a different length IIRC.
I'm not certain what you're referring to with the fuel tank and the plug.
The 700N is a 6 year old helicopter at this point. It's not that unreasonable that updates and new parts would have been released for it at this point in time.
A good reference for the correct, up to date, respective parts is Align's US distributer, http://www.alignrcusa.com/
Align also has parts finder on their website, http://shop.align.com.tw/partfinder.php?language=en
If in doubt, feel free to PM myself or other Align pilots on here. More than happy to help clarify a P/N.
To be very clear. Yes the A arm has changed.
The servo rods have also changed in length. f you would like il send you a picture of the original LE arms.

No i did not order the E parts. I have built and owned several align 700,s This is not my first rodeo.

The issue at hand is not that the parts have been updated. I just like everyone else likes updated parts. The issue is that the updated parts are not compatible with the models original parts.That is a problem

Lets see if i can explain the fuel tank better for you.
The fuel tank bung (for the clunk, not the stopper) has a groove cut in it. When you push it in it seats and the wall of the tank fills the groove to hold it in. Align went off and tried to fix something that wasn't broke. They made the tank thinner and they updated the groove on the bung to also be thinner so it would seal the new tank. Of course they neglected to tell everyone this. So when you order a 700N fuel tank bung its the new style and the groove is not deep enough to accommodate the original tank that is a good 3-5 mm thicker.

I understand your contention to defend your employer. Sounds like your an align rep and thats all well and good. What you shouldn't do is assume the owner of the helicopter is a retard and insult him by saying "you probably ordered the wrong parts". I assure you i did not order the wrong parts. The bag clearly says 700n on it. Thanks for your concern however.
Again this post was not looking for answers from a rep, it was simply to bitch that align per usual has to many of everything and its notorious for fixing things that are not broke. Someone should tell align engineers that "to infinity and beyond" is not a good idea when it comes to versions of parts

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 12:18 AM  3 years agoPost 5
dchekas

rrKey Veteran

Farmington, CT

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Please post the P/N of the A-Arm assembly you ordered.

The original T-Rex 700N and the LE kits were released with the same A-Arm geometry. The difference between them simply being the color (From Black to silver).

When the 3G and FBL units came out, Align added an additional set of holes into the bottom link that connects from the control rod to the "A" Arm itself. The overall lengths or "fly bar" geometry of the "A" arm didn't change, only an additional set of optional holes to optimize the geometry better for the 3G unit. Align also updated the bell cranks for the aileron/pitch servos, adding a second set of holes to optimize the geometry for the 3G FBL versions of the airframe.

For the nitro, the A-Arm has not changed otherwise since.

The "A" Arm included with the 700E has a slightly different A-Arm as a result of the different frame lay out in the V1 and V2 700E's. If I recall correctly, the actual A arm is the same, but the "link" arm that connects from the control rod to the A-Arm is shorter than the Nitro.

If your A-Arm is otherwise different, I'd really like to see the P/N on the package, as this is news to me.

Similarly, I'm curious which P/N linkage rods you ordered. The 700N, 700N LE, and 700N DFC all use the HN7064 linkage rod package. This has not changed since the 700N's release.

As far as the fuel tank goes, that's interesting as I never noticed a change in the tank thickness. However, Align only sells the fuel tank plug with a new fuel tank... So you would have all the parts necessary to use the new fuel tank plug.

Swapping the tank, while not always a fun procedure, does not require anywhere near splitting the frames to accomplish. Simply squeezing the top and bottom of the tank and slowly working it out through the right side frame will get it out. Removing the bottom plate may help if it's particularly stubborn.

Align is not my employer.

I am not trying to insult anyone, if you took it that way I apologize. I'm purely here to help where I can.

Team Align, Team Futaba, Team Byron Fuels, Team Thunder Power

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 12:23 AM  3 years agoPost 6
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

However, Align only sells the fuel tank plug with a new fuel tank... So you would have all the parts necessary to use the new fuel tank plug.
Wrong again

http://www.amain.com/product_info.p...ank-Accessories

Its label for a 600 but its the same NEW part. Which is for the newer thinner tank

Thanks for the ideas

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 12:35 AM  3 years agoPost 7
dchekas

rrKey Veteran

Farmington, CT

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

This is not a 700N part, it's for the 600. Not sure where the expectation would be that this would be compatible with the 700N.

I have a brand new 700N LE tank here. If you could take a measurement of the thickness of your "old" tank, I'd like to compare it against the new one I have. It's certainly possible the tank thickness has changed at some point, I'd be interested to see.

Please post the P/N's of the A-Arm and linkage rods you have as well.

Team Align, Team Futaba, Team Byron Fuels, Team Thunder Power

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 12:45 AM  3 years agoPost 8
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

This is not a 700N part, it's for the 600. Not sure where the expectation would be that this would be compatible with the 700N.
Um actually they are the same part. you know how i know? I have done this before! I thought you were Mr know it all align? You are sure acting like you are.So if your intention is to continue to be a smart ass go over to the other site because they are known for having guys like you. How is it possible an align rep does not know that the 600N and 700N bung are the same?

And btw, how exactly should i measure the thickness of a tank for you? Im sure your reply will be something like, cut it in half right?

If you want the most inaccurate measurement i can give you, its 5mm. Using the end of a micrometer typically used for depth. Unless you want me to use the force to measure it for you.
wow!

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 12:57 AM  3 years agoPost 9
rpat

rrElite Veteran

Weirton, W. Va.

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Wait...let me get the popcorn popped. Haven't seen a thread like this one in awhile....and I thought that all the hard core guys went to sleep. Rant on fellas.

trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 01:11 AM  3 years agoPost 10
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Wait...let me get the popcorn popped. Haven't seen a thread like this one in awhile....and I thought that all the hard core guys went to sleep. Rant on fellas.
Real productive comment. Nothing like a nice instigator trying to intentionally stir the pot! LOVE IT!

This post was just that! A rant! Me bitching about align! I didn't ask this guy to come on and help me, i wasn't asking for advice or help. This was a simple bitch about align thread! He is the one that felt the need to jump in and play 700N doctor and couldn't just let it be!

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 01:23 AM  3 years agoPost 11
Retired2011

rrElite Veteran

Lee's Summit, MO

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Pass me some of that popcorn R...

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 01:29 AM  3 years agoPost 12
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Pass me some of that popcorn R...
Wohoo instigator #2!

Come one i know there is a #3 out there?

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 01:33 AM  3 years agoPost 13
Pascal-KC

rrKey Veteran

Kansas City, KS, USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Indeed... This is quite an entertaining thread. I thought I was getting tired of this hobby after crashing and rebuilding the same heli twice in the same week, but threads like this make it all worthwhile and revived my most acute interest. What I spend on spare parts to fix my crashes, I get back in free entertainment. Sorry for the cynicism... had a bad day

Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 01:52 AM  3 years agoPost 14
Retired2011

rrElite Veteran

Lee's Summit, MO

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Wohoo instigator #2!
Look who's talking about being an instigator

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 02:23 AM  3 years agoPost 15
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Look who's talking about being an instigator
O yea thats right, you come on a post that had nothing to do with you, intentionally stir the pot and I'm not allowed a rebuttal?

Sure thing! I will not be participating in this thread any longer. Continue with your own entertainment somewhere else.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 02:44 AM  3 years agoPost 16
3dgimble

rrKey Veteran

Rochester

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Sounds to me like you ordered the 700E parts. The 700E V2 had a slightly different "A" arm assembly, and the servo links were a different length IIRC.
I'm not certain what you're referring to with the fuel tank and the plug.
The 700N is a 6 year old helicopter at this point. It's not that unreasonable that updates and new parts would have been released for it at this point in time.
Align sucks!
I spent tons of money with them for years and they never once honored any of my warranty.
On the other hand Thunder Tiger does, Curtis does, Compass does, TSA does, Castle Creation does, Horizon Hobby does..., addition to rant is over.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 04:30 AM  3 years agoPost 17
rcflyerheli

rrKey Veteran

Granbury, TX USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Not trying to stir any pots, but I do want to at least defend Align in my warranty issue case. When I got my first 700 V2, I got one of the two main blade grips with an incomplete machining operation. The counterbore for the blade screw had not been machined in it (at all).

I contacted Tim at Assurance, and had a replacement grip on the way that day.

Then when I got my 700 V3 DFC, I got the old style white gears for the tail. Again, they were replaced as soon as I contacted the dealer.

So I guess I have to disagree that Align's warranty procedures suck. They have been fine for me.

Goblin 700, Trex 700DFC, Gaui X7, Logo 690SX, Logo 600SX; Trex 470 Trex 500
Amain Team Rep

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 05:25 AM  3 years agoPost 18
tyfast27

rrApprentice

Dubois, Wyoming

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Only problem I have with align is there not made right here in America, but what is these days. Sometimes finding the correct part can be a lil tricky but I can't say as though I have had to place twelve separate orders. If it's that hard swap brands. And people are probably gonna comment and try to help since that's what this site is for.... Just sayin. Lol

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-26-2014 04:29 PM  3 years agoPost 19
knightofcarnage

rrElite Veteran

chicago

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

V1 V2 V3 V4 V5 V6 V7 V8 V infinity versions of parts!

So I'm rebuilding a 700N LE and I'm starting to hate liFe!
Every single part i order for this thing is wrong!

ALIGN STRIKES AGAIN!!

Ive been ordering NON DFC parts for the 700N and it appears align has changed so much on this heli that virtually nothing works
The servo links are no longer the same. The elevator A arm is no longer the same etc etc
The list goes on! I have now placed 11 orders with amain in a week and still don't have all the correct parts!

Here is the latest!

Align decided that it would be a great idea to make the 700N fuel tank thinner. Thats right the plastic is now thinner. Im not talking about the dfc tank which is totally different but the good old 700N tank thinner! So now those of use with original LE tanks who go off and order new fuel tank bungs, well yea you guessed it. They don't fit
The new bungs groove to sit in the tank is much more narrow then the old style. So when you push it in it does not seat correctly. So now i get to place my 12th order this week at $5 a shot in shipping and order a new fuel tank. To top that off, i now get to take the entire heli apart to put it in that i just finished building! Wohoooo!!!
lol here this would have help you. Also you mention the tank is thiner. That change in color was mad 5 years ago, LOL. Here go to this link

http://shop.align.com.tw/partfinder.php

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
06-30-2014 05:08 PM  3 years agoPost 20
automagp68

rrNovice

Colorado

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

This is totally insane!
So i go off and order a new align fuel tank that comes with all the rubbers and associated parts! Assuming it will be thinner plastic and the parts will fit.
O NOOOOOOOOO

I get the package from amain today. This was a fuel tank kit

part number

AGNHN7045

And what do i get?
I get the same old 700N fuel tank and a fuel bung that still does not fit. This is totally insane. This was packaged by align, not something amain put together.So align is now selling updated parts mixed with old parts in a package that is still not compatible. Yep!!!!
So glad i own an align helicopter

The new tank they just sent me is the same thickness as my old one at nearly 5mm.
O and by the way, the bung sent in the fuel tank kit is the EXACT same as the 600N one i ordered. So that proves right there they are the same part for the guy that was telling me i was wrong.

Ill post some pictures up

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ] 4104 views POST REPLY
HomeAircraftHelicopterAlignT-REX 700N › align strikes again! RANT!!
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 15  Topic Subscribe

Wednesday, June 20 - 2:15 pm - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online