RunRyder RC
WATCH
 12 pages [ <<    <     6      7     ( 8 )     9      10     NEXT    >> ] 7976 views POST REPLY
Home✈️Aircraft🚁HelicopterHelicopter Main Discussion › Please go comment on FAA's Special Rule's
07-02-2014 05:32 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
When flying at an AMA field I, of course, willingly follow all the rules as required and have no problem with doing so. When not flying at an AMA field those rules do not apply as all of you know as well (tho yes I agree they're still good guidelines).
I finally found what I was looking for in AMA document "2014
INSURANCE SUMMARY – THE FACTS ABOUT AMA’S INSURANCE BENEFITS For Individual Members"

• AMA Liability Protection applies to bodily injury or property damage caused by an AMA member. Any AMA member who causes an accident resulting in an injury must report that accident immediately to AMA HQ.

• Applies to accidents arising from the modeling activities of model aircraft, rockets, cars and boats, in accordance with the AMA NATIONAL Safety Code(s).

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/...maryMembers.pdf

So there you have it, if you don't follow the safety code your AMA liability protection is null and void.
  
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 05:39 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
So there you have it, if you don't follow the safety code your AMA liability protection is null and void.
That has nothing to do with the legal status of the AMA safety code. The safety code is not a law whether insurance coverage is involved or not - I'm not going to repeat this over and over for you anymore. Refer back to the thread for the discussion on this.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 05:43 PM  6 years ago
rpat

rrElite Veteran

Weirton, W. Va.

MyPosts All Forum Topic
ok my turn to jump in here. ACE you hit the nail on the head here.
If Uncle goes and flies on his own property( or any one elses )and does FPV without a spotter , which is what he is saying himself because of his ego ,and lets say that he really plows into the back of someones head for example and when the lawsuits ensue and don't kid yourself they will be there, and the AMA gets involved and finds out that he did not have a spotter they are going to tell him to hit the road ...he is on his own for not following the set rules.

UNCLE I think that you should do all of us a favor and revoke your AMA license.
trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 05:46 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
and the AMA gets involved and finds out that he did not have a spotter they are going to tell him to hit the road ...he is on his own for not following the set rules.
But the laws broken, if any, will be something other than an "AMA safety code law". The AMA Safety Code is not a local, state or federal law. Insurance policy is not a law and has nothing to do with this issue.

You too - go read the thread. I'm not repeating this for you endlessly either.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 05:56 PM  6 years ago
rpat

rrElite Veteran

Weirton, W. Va.

MyPosts All Forum Topic
NO YOU DON'T GET IT!!
The AMA has set down rules, guidelines, or whatever you want to call them so that you can be covered by their insurance coverage. If you don't follow the (rules, guidelines, etc ) they do not have to cover you because you did not adhere to their recommendations.
trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 06:12 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
NO YOU DON'T GET IT!!
The AMA has set down rules, guidelines, or whatever you want to call them so that you can be covered by their insurance coverage. If you don't follow the (rules, guidelines, etc ) they do not have to cover you because you did not adhere to their recommendations.
But those rules, guidelines, etc. are not laws. They do not bind pilots like laws do.

I'm not repeating this for you anymore - This is discussed at length in the thread, go back and read it.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 06:15 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
That has nothing to do with the legal status of the AMA safety code. The safety code is not a law whether insurance coverage is involved or not - I'm not going to repeat this over and over for you anymore. Refer back to the thread for the discussion on this.
The AMA document I referenced in my previous post confirms, in writing, my interpretation of the AMA Safety Code as it applies to AMA members.

I just wanted to ensure my membership dues are not being used to provide coverage to those AMA members who do not follow the AMA Safety Code. The AMA is a small organization with limited funds so it's important all monies are used as efficiently as possible.

It's also important to set the record straight for others who are reading this thread. That last thing I want to hear is that some AMA member had their AMA liability protection claim denied due to some erroneous information they read on the Internet.
  
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 06:18 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
and the AMA gets involved and finds out that he did not have a spotter they are going to tell him to hit the road
That's my understanding based on the AMA document I referenced above.
  
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 06:20 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
And my purpose here is to counter the ignorance about FPV that exists within our own ranks. FPV is under assault internally by hobbyists like yourselves with no FPV experience, no knowledge of the state of the art in FPV technology or techniques. Much worse, you refuse to arm yourself with that knowledge and experience, and continue to spread the most worthless information about this increasingly important and satisfying part of our hobby. You don't even know the difference between a club rule and a law - how can you be trusted with the FPV portion of our hobby?

You are just as bad as the media and FAA who are attacking us from outside and I'll fight you just as hard as I do them.

That's what this thread has been about.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 06:38 PM  6 years ago
don s

rrElite Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
This FPV "discussion" is more than likely academic at this point. Changing anybody's opinion up here will not matter.E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 06:42 PM  6 years ago
rpat

rrElite Veteran

Weirton, W. Va.

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Nobody but you are calling them LAWS. The AMA is calling them codes. You don't meet the codes then good luck trying to get insurance coverage.trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 07:23 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Nobody but you are calling them LAWS.
No - I'm the one pointing out that they are NOT laws, and all that that entails. You and the FPV detractors are the ones who think they are laws and act like laws.
The AMA is calling them codes.
And the AMA is completely correct. They are codes, rules, only. NOT US local, state or federal laws.
You don't meet the codes then good luck trying to get insurance coverage.
Irrelevant to the subject of the thread, as I've pointed out multiple times now.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 07:26 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
This FPV "discussion" is more than likely academic at this point. Changing anybody's opinion up here will not matter.
Well, it might. Especially if we can clean up the misconceptions about FPV from within the hobby, we won't look so divided when we defend ourselves from the outside attacks.

That's what galls me the most - the worst fights I have to wage to defend FPV are against misinformation coming from within the hobby. The media and FAA I fully expect to be uninformed about our activities, but it's infinitely frustrating when the ignorance comes directly from inside AND it even fights back against informing itself.

But in the end, if it educates even one it's probably worth it.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 08:01 PM  6 years ago
HREFAB

rrApprentice

Long Island NY

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Useless waste of electrons
Hasn't ANYONE taken the time to call the AMA and clarify this "issue"? NO, wanna know why? Because it might take a bit of effort and intelligence, which from reading this interminable thread has been sorely lacking.

If you get your information from the internet, you're on your own. It's not like the AMA is some secret organization with a peep hole and a doorman asking for the password.

Here, my gift to the genius';

Call the AMA at (800) 435-9262 -

And if numbers scare you;

1-800-I-FLY-AMA
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 08:07 PM  6 years ago
don s

rrElite Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Tell us what the AMA said. You called, right?E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 08:11 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Agree with Don. Let us know what you find out when you employ that little "bit of effort and intelligence, which from reading this interminable thread has been sorely lacking" and ring up AMA about this...

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 08:20 PM  6 years ago
xcellgasman101

rrElite Veteran

WOODWARD, OKLA....

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Let us know what you find out when you employ that little "bit of effort and intelligence, which from reading this interminable thread has been sorely lacking" and ring up AMA about this...
You Miss Jane are the one that needs to call AMA,, and while your talking to them, Tell them just how stupid you think a spotter is while flying FPV, Maybe, you'll listen, but thats asking to much, I'm sure,,,, XGM/VGM
John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 08:24 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Tell them just how stupid you think a spotter is while flying FPV,
What makes you think I think a spotter is "stupid"? Did you know that I actually support the AMA Safety Code rules on spotters? I did once criticize it here, but after rereading it I realized my reading of it was incorrect when I posted my criticism. As it stands, I think it's a good idea and I fully support it.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 08:29 PM  6 years ago
xcellgasman101

rrElite Veteran

WOODWARD, OKLA....

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Really???? How many times on this thread alone have you posted that you will only use a spotter at a AMA field, but if your away from that, you don't use a spotter as it is not needed... Your Words,,, You keep saying it's not a Law, and your correct there, but it's safer to use one, than not, and that's the AMA stance on FPV, but not yours, as you have told us all many times,,, XGM/VGMJohn Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
07-02-2014 08:39 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

rrElite Veteran

santa fe, NM, USA

MyPosts All Forum Topic
Really????
Yes, really.
How many times on this thread alone have you posted that you will only use a spotter at a AMA field, but if your away from that, you don't use a spotter as it is not needed... Your Words,,,
Since I'm not compelled to use one when not at an AMA field (the FAA may change that of course), I choose not to when it's not convenient. If a spotter is available, I definitely take advantage of it. Otherwise, I simply fly solo and take reasonable care to not fly hazardously.

This doesn't mean I don't support the use of a spotter or think it's "stupid". At the current time, I typically don't have one available when I'm not flying at our local field, so I don't use one.

I never fly (anymore) at our local field FPV without following the AMA rule.
You keep saying it's not a Law, and your correct there, but it's safer to use one, than not, and that's the AMA stance on FPV, but not yours, as you have told us all many times,,, XGM/VG
The issue in the thread here is when and where one is compelled, or not, to follow the AMA Safety Code. Thats where all this discussion about the law comes from. This has nothing to do with my actual attitude towards the spotter rule itself.

LS
SHARE  PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 12 pages [ <<    <     6      7     ( 8 )     9      10     NEXT    >> ] 7976 views POST REPLY
Home✈️Aircraft🚁HelicopterHelicopter Main Discussion › Please go comment on FAA's Special Rule's
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 13  Topic Subscribe

Saturday, August 15 - 6:19 am - Copyright © 2000-2020 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online