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07-01-2014 01:46 AM  6 years ago
TMoore

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https://rc.runryder.com/t759352p1/

"I was always a horrible line-of-sight pilot so what you see here is much better flying than I could ever do LOS."

Did you write that or was that someone else?
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07-01-2014 01:57 AM  6 years ago
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07-01-2014 01:58 AM  6 years ago
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"I was always a horrible line-of-sight pilot so what you see here is much better flying than I could ever do LOS."
Did you write that or was that someone else?
Of course, that was me and I still fail to see the relevance (lots of us are horrible LOS pilots).

In what way does this justify your hostility towards FPV? I took the video down as soon as the interpretation was released for obvious reasons, but there was no crash or other hazard displayed in my flying in it if you'd gotten a chance to see it. It was just a LOS view of my trex 700 landing (I was flying it FPV and not at an AMA sanctioned field).

How did you conclude from that video that I was a hazard?

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07-01-2014 02:03 AM  6 years ago
unclejane

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On the contrary, the AMA has defended all aspects of RC flying, including FPV. The correspondence above informs the pilot the importance of LOS (Line Of Sight) on a designated AMA field.
At every event I have participated in, all pilots are required to have a spotter. They (spotters) are there to keep others from interfering, observing proximities of other aircraft, and to call 911 if one is injured. We all know the potential dangers of the hobby, so the AMA is just reminding us to be safe which keeps the general public safe as well.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. It looked like a cease-and-desist letter for FPV flying period to me, not a reminder to simply follow the existing rules. But I may have read it wrong; if so I stand corrected...

Thanks,

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07-01-2014 08:23 AM  6 years ago
aceisback

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AMA may only be guidelines, but if you don't want to abide by those guidelines, than I guess FAA and government regulation will be necessary then. Anyone who believes FPV by itself makes one a great pilot is living in some kind of dreamworld. Face it, SH!T happens, and FPV is not going to save the day.

If you can't follow simple AMA guidelines, how the heck do you expect to follow FAA rules? You probably won't which will just make the rules worse for those who choose to be responsible pilots.

I am just getting into FPV flying, so I hope the people who think they are above any laws and regulations don't ruin it for me and others, but by some of the responses on here, I guess we will have to welcome such laws and live with them.

There are always those that think they don't need no stinkin' rules and ruin it for everybody else!
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07-01-2014 12:54 PM  6 years ago
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I am just getting into FPV flying, so I hope the people who think they are above any laws and regulations don't ruin it for me and others, but by some of the responses on here, I guess we will have to welcome such laws and live with them.
Probably too late.
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07-01-2014 02:12 PM  6 years ago
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There are always those that think they don't need no stinkin' rules and ruin it for everybody else!
Very true! But sadly the government thinks they can make rules and the ones who don't even follow guidelines will suddenly snap into shape and obey. Rules only apply to law abiding types. It is beyond silly, asinine comes to mind, that the FAA thinks they can regulate human behavior. They must have forgotten the Volstead Act of 1919 (aka, National Prohibition Act). It didn't work then and it won't work now. Stupid is as stupid does!
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07-01-2014 02:59 PM  6 years ago
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My exchange with TMoore is about a different issue - hostility and ignorance about FPV from within our own ranks. This is a pressing issue we have to deal with if we ever hope to present a united front against any attempts to curtail our activities like FPV.

As everyone will note in my responses, I never expressed the "outlaw" attitude being attributed to me. I only said I didn't like the AMA spotter rule and now that it's dead I simply expressed my criticism of it.

When flying at an AMA field I, of course, willingly follow all the rules as required and have no problem with doing so. When not flying at an AMA field those rules do not apply as all of you know as well (tho yes I agree they're still good guidelines).

So I appreciate everyone's dedication to adherence to the rules, which I share. But attacking me as a lawbreaker won't do you any good because, as they say in the movies: "you got the wrong guy"

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07-01-2014 03:08 PM  6 years ago
TMoore

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My exchange with TMoore is about a different issue - hostility and ignorance about FPV from within our own ranks. This is a pressing issue we have to deal with if we ever hope to present a united front against any attempts to curtail our activities like FPV.
Really, hostility and ignorance? Get a grip dude. There is nothing hostile or ignorant about bringing up issues of safety when it comes to flying models. We all bear responsibility for that. FPV is a novelty, it's not mainstream modeling. You may want it to be mainstream but it's not there yet.
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07-01-2014 03:10 PM  6 years ago
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When not flying at an AMA field those rules do not apply as all of you know as well.
Where does the AMA state the rules you're referring to do not apply when not flying at an AMA field?
  
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07-01-2014 03:12 PM  6 years ago
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Where does the AMA state the rules you're referring to do not apply when not flying at an AMA field?
The AMA doesn't have to state that. It's the way rules and laws work in the United States. This was illustrated in the thread by the speed limit example.

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07-01-2014 03:17 PM  6 years ago
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Really, hostility and ignorance? Get a grip dude. There is nothing hostile or ignorant about bringing up issues of safety when it comes to flying models.
But you have to do so in an informed way. You are not doing that - you're attacking FPV with no experience or information about FPV. You're attacking me as an outlaw simply because I fly FPV and with no other information about my individual flying activities.

You're just as bad as the outside influences attacking our hobby in that respect - the media and the FAA. You can't just make up stuff and attack - you won't achieve anything that way.
We all bear responsibility for that. FPV is a novelty, it's not mainstream modeling. You may want it to be mainstream but it's not there yet.
And you are one of the primary reasons why, and why that effort is grinding to a halt.

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07-01-2014 03:27 PM  6 years ago
TMoore

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The reason that I have questions are posts by you like this:

https://rc.runryder.com/t753564p1/

Did you post this?

"At least you were doing, like, a real maneuver lol. I rekitted both my trex700 N's just trying to do a stationary forward flip. Complete destruction just like yours each time.
When I nearly did it again with my nitro Whip, is when I decided I was done with line-of-sight flying and went all FPV...
But rekit level crashes just suck, cuz you go home with just a body bag etc....
LS"

Now you're saying that you only fly FPV. Why?
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07-01-2014 03:31 PM  6 years ago
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The reason that I have questions are posts by you like this:
https://rc.runryder.com/t753564p1/
Did you post this?
"At least you were doing, like, a real maneuver lol. I rekitted both my trex700 N's just trying to do a stationary forward flip. Complete destruction just like yours each time.
When I nearly did it again with my nitro Whip, is when I decided I was done with line-of-sight flying and went all FPV...
But rekit level crashes just suck, cuz you go home with just a body bag etc....
LS"
Now you're saying that you only fly FPV. Why?
I still fail to see the relevance to your hostility towards FPV. You keep bringing these posts up and I've asked you for your point on a repeated basis. Most of us have crashes and have to rekit. Are you ever going to make your point here?

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07-01-2014 04:01 PM  6 years ago
TMoore

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When I nearly did it again with my nitro Whip, is when I decided I was done with line-of-sight flying and went all FPV...
FPV is a crutch.
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07-01-2014 04:03 PM  6 years ago
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The AMA doesn't have to state that. It's the way rules and laws work in the United States. This was illustrated in the thread by the speed limit example.
So you're in agreement then that there's no place where the AMA specifically states that AMA members are exempt from following the AMA safety code and AMA Document #550 when not flying at what you consider an "AMA field"?
  
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07-01-2014 04:07 PM  6 years ago
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FPV is a crutch.
Suppose I put you in my plank and told you to go take a trip around the pattern in it. If you survived and I told you afterwards in the hospital "LOS is a crutch", would you accept that as a proper excuse for the crash?

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07-01-2014 04:10 PM  6 years ago
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So you're in agreement then that there's no place where the AMA specifically states that AMA members are exempt from following the AMA safety code and AMA Document #550 when not flying at what you consider an "AMA field"?
I said we don't need AMA to clarify that. AMA's rules don't apply outside of what is AMA's "jurisdiction". We don't need to follow their rules, even if they're a good idea (and I agree that they are), when not at an AMA field.

This should be clear to you if you understand how rules and laws work in our country.

LS
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07-01-2014 04:23 PM  6 years ago
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FPV as a crutch is not the issue in my opinion. Flying line of sight is not the end goal for many doing this type of flying. The real issue is using fpv in a manner that does not put general aviation and the general public at risk.

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07-01-2014 04:24 PM  6 years ago
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I said we don't need AMA to clarify that. AMA's rules don't apply outside of what is AMA's "jurisdiction". We don't need to follow their rules, even if they're a good idea (and I agree that they are), when not at an AMA field.

This should be clear to you if you understand how rules and laws work in our country.
Where is the AMA's "jurisdiction" defined?
  
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