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07-03-2014 02:43 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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Here's another deeply troubling FPV example:
https://rc.runryder.com/t...2/?p=6209109#RR
Just another FYI, here we're much closer together and probably almost on the same side in our objections. Long range FPV is a whole 'nother story with a whole new set of conditions, problems, technologies and so on.

This is probably FAA's major concern and it's a contentious thing within the FPV community also.

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07-03-2014 02:54 PM  6 years ago
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This is probably FAA's major concern and it's a contentious thing within the FPV community also.
The FAA's major concern is whether community based (i.e., AMA) policies and procedures (e.g., AMA Safety Code) can work and AMA members can understand and follow those policies and procedures.

The arrogance shown by a very small number of posters in this thread confirms the FAA's fears and actions are justified.
  
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07-03-2014 03:01 PM  6 years ago
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The FAA's major concern is whether community based (i.e., AMA) policies and procedures (e.g., AMA Safety Code) can work and AMA members can understand and follow those policies and procedures.
The arrogance shown by a very small number of posters in this thread confirms the FAA's fears and actions are justified.
Bzzzt. That's never been the issue - your and others' misconceptions about FPV and the legal status of the AMA SC have been the only issues under debate in this thread. There's never been a debate about whether it's a good idea, etc.

In fact, what I'd like to see is something very close to the AMA SC become law. As I said before, I support the AMA SC and would have zero problem being legally bound to it by a FAR that encodes it.

It's worth mentioning also that in places like the UK, their regulatory apparatus for FPV is very similar to the AMA SC for FPV. So it does work.

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07-03-2014 03:11 PM  6 years ago
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As I said before, I support the AMA SC and would have zero problem being legally bound to it by a FAR that encodes it.
You cannot support it if you don't understand it. Believing there are terms and conditions for which you are exempt from it demonstrates you don't understand it and do not understand the terms and conditions of your AMA membership.
  
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07-03-2014 03:17 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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You cannot support it if you don't understand it. Believing there are terms and conditions for which you are exempt from it demonstrates you don't understand it and do not understand the terms and conditions of your AMA membership.
And you cannot be a proper advocate of our hobby if you don't understand the hobby, or the law and how it works in the United States. That's why you've gotten all this push-back from me - you believe and say things about FPV and our system of law that are just plain wrong. So we have people like you to contend with as well, unfortunately, but that's how it always goes with aviation-related activities. I had to fight guys like you during the Sport Pilot NPRM period too.

As for what the upcoming regs are going to look like, as I said, I hope FAA takes a queue from the regs in other countries like the UK. Training will be another issue altogether, something that I haven't seen much addressed by FAA at all... So we'll just have to see.

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07-03-2014 03:31 PM  6 years ago
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you believe and say things about FPV
I've never said anything for or against FPV in this thread. All my posts have been about AMA policy and procedure independent of FPV. Go ahead and re-read all my posts.

I was FPV neutral, but if your arrogance is representative of the entire FPV community then I would be in favor of an FAA ban on FPV. It's a damn shame a few bad apples are going to ruin it for everyone, but those who cannot govern themselves wisely will be governed by despots.
  
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07-03-2014 03:40 PM  6 years ago
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I've never said anything for or against FPV in this thread. All my posts have been about AMA policy and procedure independent of FPV. Go ahead and re-read all my posts.
I was FPV neutral, but if your arrogance is representative of the entire FPV community then I would be in favor of an FAA ban on FPV. It's a damn shame a few bad apples are going to ruin it for everyone, but those who cannot govern themselves wisely will be governed by despots.
See? And you just won't stop. You just keep on and on and on, saying the same wrong, idiotic things over and over and over, no matter how many times you're corrected. You're as bad as the media - a virtual Energizer bunny of misinformation and ignorance.

That's why I also keep going on and on and.... If anything, it highlights the problem for others - they can go investigate FPV and the law and the issues facing our hobby, and reach their own conclusions. All we can do is keep up the fight and hope for the best.

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07-03-2014 03:47 PM  6 years ago
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against Special Rule's
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07-03-2014 04:39 PM  6 years ago
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That's why I also keep going on and on and.... If anything, it highlights the problem for others
It sure does, and in more ways than you can possibly imagine.
  
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07-03-2014 07:06 PM  6 years ago
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Well here is my take and feelings. I was at a funfly a fairly decent sized one and a guy got out his fpv camera ship and it was a big one and nice. He took off and flew over our canopies and our campers and ppl like he owned the place. He video taped and demoed his ship and how it all worked and stuff and it was neat. He flew behind the flight lines for a while and over everyone including my mom which is 75 years old and didn't weigh a lot more than this camera ship. Well she was maybe 90 lbs more. Then he brought it down and flew it behind all the pilots flying and through a gate and landed next to his table around spectators. Now it is mechanical and can have a failure and if it would have come down on my mom god from 150 ft god only knows what would have happened to her. Let alone what would have happened to the pilot when I would have got done with him. Unclejane here is what hurts it for the ppl that are doing it right. What gives him the right to fly over everyone and not obey the rules of flying in front of the ppl. Is it just because he has a camera on it? I don't think so. He should have to obey all the rules of flying just like the rest of us. As far as being up in flight paths of planes? I watched a video of someone that was fpv flying up in the approach path of passenger jets. Talk about stupid!!! That video I seen on youtube and I am not sure it is still up there but those are the reasons rules will become laws. It is too bad as we all will pay for itTeam Jr
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07-03-2014 09:05 PM  6 years ago
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Unclejane here is what hurts it for the ppl that are doing it right. What gives him the right to fly over everyone and not obey the rules of flying in front of the ppl.
Nothing gives him that right. You won't get any argument out of me that that's definitely unsafe flying.

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07-03-2014 09:24 PM  6 years ago
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When you signed up as a AMA member you agree to follow the AMA Safety Code
@mjohnston81-Your right, it's says "I agree to comply with the AMA Safety Code." right above the signature line on the AMA membership application.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/902.pdf

Evidence presented and case closed!
  
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07-03-2014 09:26 PM  6 years ago
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@LaDon-The CD for the event should have addressed the situation.  
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07-03-2014 09:52 PM  6 years ago
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The CD at the event is the final rule....period.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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07-03-2014 10:47 PM  6 years ago
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Everyone needs to calm down and take a deep breath. We all (except for revmix) see an overreaching by the FAA when it comes to invading our hobby in defiance of Congress. However, whether you fly FPV (very fun if you never tried it, BTW), LOS RC or full scale, we all need to be concerned about the power grab being exercised by the FAA.

In my opinion, they are on the precipice of killing general aviation (full scale and non-commercial) by getting involved in recreational radio controlled flying. General aviation is already on a steep downward spiral due to onerous rules, cost and a lack of local small fields. Most of us who got into general aviation started out by flying RC. What the FAA is doing now will tend to turn new pilot away and will eventually be the death knell of general aviation. Sad day in America my friends!

One more thing, codes, rules and ordinances are mandatory requirements based on an enacted law. The AMA is simply a secondary insurance policy. They do have very well thought-out guidelines though.
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07-03-2014 11:03 PM  6 years ago
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General aviation is already on a steep downward spiral due to onerous rules, cost and a lack of local small fields.
One of my hangar neighbors is an old A&P who doesn't fly much anymore, but is otherwise a mechanical genius, one of the gooroos we go to when we have a problem we can't figure out. One evening after I'd been out flying my plank he came over and said "gosh... you seem to be the only only one around here enjoying aviation. It's killing everyone else..".

It was funny and tragic at the same time...

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07-03-2014 11:21 PM  6 years ago
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FAA likely will miss mandated deadline
Flying magazine reports

http://www.flyingmag.com/news/dot-r...=MzYwMjA0NTQ1S0

Does that surprise anyone?
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07-03-2014 11:29 PM  6 years ago
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One more thing, codes, rules and ordinances are mandatory requirements based on an enacted law. The AMA is simply a secondary insurance policy. They do have very well thought-out guidelines though.
The AMA is an 501(c)(3) organization and has their own Safety Code which is not law. In order to become become a member of the AMA you must agree to follow the AMA safety code.
  
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07-03-2014 11:57 PM  6 years ago
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Ridiculous/Circumstance
the moron players need stupid laws
blaming Feds is just dumbest wrong
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07-04-2014 02:05 AM  6 years ago
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blaming Feds is just dumbest wrong
Especially when they're reading this!

Funny, the other harsh FAA critic hasn't posted here in months.
  
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