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06-25-2014 06:21 PM  3 years agoPost 1
navyraptor

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http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FAA-2014-0396-0001

Please go comment on the FAA's new .Special Rule for Model Aircraft.
Make our voices heard

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06-25-2014 06:35 PM  3 years agoPost 2
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I LOL'd at this:

Your comment will be viewable on Regulations.gov after the agency has reviewed it, which may be an indefinite amount of time.



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06-25-2014 06:48 PM  3 years agoPost 3
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FAA restricts small drones near airports

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is restricting recreational drones and model airplanes by barring their use within 5 miles of airports.

"The FAA intends to apply its enforcement authority to model aircraft operations that endanger the safety of the National Airspace System," the agency wrote on Monday.

The agency is defining the model airplanes as devices that weigh 55 pounds or less, and says they will be prohibited from flying near an airport without permission from air traffic controllers.

The move comes after the FAA reported a drone nearly collided with an airplane in March.

Model airplanes will also be prohibited from flying more than 400 feet above ground, and will not be permitted to fly over populated areas where there is an increased risk of someone getting injured from a model plane crash.

The FAA's decision could have larger implications for companies like Amazon.

The rules would specifically prevent companies from using recreational drones for commercial purposes, meaning Amazon couldn't deliver packages with one of these devices.

The FAA gave several examples to spell out the differences between commercial and recreational purposes.

According to the new rules, people could use model airplanes to take photographs for their own personal use, but real estate companies could not use the devices to take photos of a home it is trying to sell.

People could also use model airplanes to transport boxes if they are moving to another house. But companies could not use them to deliver packages.

Farmers could use model airplanes to determine whether their crops need to be watered, as long as the crops are for their own personal use. But if they intend to sell the crops, then they could not fly the recreational drones.

"Model aircraft that do not meet these statutory requirements are nonetheless unmanned aircraft, and as such, are subject to all existing FAA regulations," the agency wrote.

The new rules go into effect immediately.

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06-25-2014 06:52 PM  3 years agoPost 4
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So my next question is, does this mean for both controlled and uncontrolled airports?, I know a few clubs in my area that fly at a uncontrolled airport, so thats it there done?

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06-25-2014 06:57 PM  3 years agoPost 5
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FAA's new
ain't gonna budge, especially the operation 'for compensation or hire'

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06-26-2014 03:08 AM  3 years agoPost 6
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06-26-2014 11:58 AM  3 years agoPost 7
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Did anyone else get this email?


Dear Chet,
On Monday, June 23rd, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) released an Interpretive Rule in which it presented FAA's interpretation of the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft" established by Congress in the FAA modernization and Reform Act of 2012. The Academy has reviewed the rule and is extremely disappointed and troubled by the approach the FAA has chosen to take in regards to this issue
In its Press Release the FAA stated it was, "issuing the notice to provide clear guidance to model operators on the "do's and don'ts" of flying safely in accordance with the Act and to answer many of the questions it has received regarding the scope and application of the rules." It also stated, "(this) guidance comes after recent incidents involving the reckless use of unmanned model aircraft near airports and involving large crowds of people." It's important to note that very few of these cases have been factually documented and not a single incident was shown to involve a member of the AMA or to be connected in any way to modeling operations conducted under the auspices of the special rule.
In AMA's response to the rule it was pointed out that, "The FAA interpretive rule effectively negates Congress' intentions, and is contrary to the law. Section 336(a) of the Public Law states that, 'the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft...', this interpretive rule specifically addresses model aircraft, effectively establishes rules that model aircraft were not previously subject to and is in direct violation of the congressional mandate in the 2012 FAA reauthorization bill."
AMA has voiced its opposition to FAA's action and will pursue all available recourse to dissuade enactment of this rule. It's important that every AMA member becomes involved in the effort.
The first step is to respond to the public comment period established in the notice. Look for a follow-up email from AMA with information on how to respond to the FAA notice. This is your opportunity to express your views and to comment on various aspects of the Interpretive Rule. It's important for the Administration to know that this rule significantly impacts the entire aeromodeling community and that this community is resolute and committed to protecting the hobby. In this case silence IS NOT golden.
Please alert your friends, family members and fellow modelers regarding this issue.
Thank you,
AMA Government Relations

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06-26-2014 12:14 PM  3 years agoPost 8
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Yea Chet , I got that also. I have said from the beginning of this when it started that these "drones" are going to cause us grief and sure enough they are. I could go on about this but why would I want to continue something that is already too far gone to call it back and put it in the bag. Just to clarify this I have three of them myself, they are fun but you can not defend them when some jack ass goes and buzzes an airliner.

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06-26-2014 12:35 PM  3 years agoPost 9
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Yes...kinda like...

When they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns!

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06-26-2014 12:40 PM  3 years agoPost 10
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yea...something like that.

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06-26-2014 01:19 PM  3 years agoPost 11
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Progress cost
If these drones didn't have the stabilization boards and they crashed like helis use to when learning, we wouldn't have every Tom Dick and Harry out there thinking he can fly his drone wherever he wants. A crash or two costing a grand or so would end that and even better if they had to build it instead of all this RTF drone stuff that would slow it down too.

Genie is way out of the bottle now.

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06-26-2014 02:23 PM  3 years agoPost 12
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Bogus Logic
So, they should have to suffer the crashes to earn the "right-to-fly? That is crazy logic. So I learned on a simulator, I need to go out and bury a couple of helis to earn the "right-to-fly"? "No sir, you have not had enough crashes, you must crash 3 more times."

This should all be about setting up the accepted rules of behavior when operating these aircraft, not how the pilot got there or what assist equipment he is using. Even professional pilots over rely on technology (Re: Airbus Crash in San Fran for example).

A multi-rotor and many helicopters cannot be hand flown without some sort of stabilization equipment to assist the pilot. That does not make the pilot any less of a pilot nor does it make the older technology user a better pilot.

Set the rules, how you abide by the rules is your problem.

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06-26-2014 03:10 PM  3 years agoPost 13
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What I think dialarotor is saying is that the flight assist technology on the RTF quads out there make it so that ANYONE with ZERO flight experience can buy one and fly it.. This opens up the door to a whole bunch of yahoo's who might be dumber than a box of rocks. You no longer need to actually LEARN how to fly, so anyone can and will do it.

Back in the good ol' days, you used to have to actually LEARN how to fly to fly something.. THat meant that ONLY the people who actually wanted to get in to this hobby were the ones doing it. Generally those people have a little more sense than the average person, or so I like to think

So now that millions of people are flying these quads with zero regard and zero thought, and bad things are happening.

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06-26-2014 03:17 PM  3 years agoPost 14
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Generally
what's the big buzz about?
hobby/recreation flying is not effected

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06-26-2014 03:28 PM  3 years agoPost 15
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What I think dialarotor is saying is that the flight assist technology on the RTF quads out there make it so that ANYONE with ZERO flight experience can buy one and fly it..
And I completely agree with his logic!

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06-26-2014 04:53 PM  3 years agoPost 16
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[/quote]what's the big buzz about?
hobby/recreation flying is not effected[quote]

Correct,.. but there are other ramifications.

Thinking out loud here, there would be no more "sponsored pilots" or "field reps", as they recieve compensation (if it's $, parts, expenses, discounts, it's all compensation). that means they wouldn't be able to fly demos at events unless they have the appropriate FAA ratings. Dunno how many of those folks have a commercial pilot license, I doubt very many.
So you don't mind that, it just makes more time for us to fly at events as it's not shutdown for demonstrations. Well, if you're a manufacturer or distributor that sponsors an event, you're probably not going to be as open with the wallet if you can't demonstrate your products there. Events would become a fraction of what they are now, or disappear entirely.
OK, so you don't go to flyins,..so that's not an issue. The manufacturer can no longer fly anything to test it unless of course it's a commercial pilot doing the flying. they're compensated for it , so must be licensed according to the FAA. Hmmm,.. wonder how much development would continue for the hobbyist.

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06-26-2014 05:09 PM  3 years agoPost 17
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but there are other ramifications
nah, that's not an issue,
the rule is against self-proclaimed Pro-r/c-Players fooling around with their gizmos

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06-26-2014 05:50 PM  3 years agoPost 18
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How soon until the medical follows
Had pilots license for 35 years but now shoved back to gliders and light sport aircraft if I don't want to endure the FAA/MEDICAL/MONEY MACHINE, ( they just killed the NO MEDICAL 3RD CLASS/DRIVERS LICENSE RULE) and now these weasel lawyers at FAA are letting the FAA/DRONE rules creep down into my hobby.

Just more Gov. rules creep. They have almost decimated my old profession, commercial shipping with international training rules when we were the world leaders in training and now the military 18yr old physical requirements run amuck and chase 40-50 year experienced mariners off of ships. So stby for RC/medical coming to a club,funfly,event near you.

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06-26-2014 06:19 PM  3 years agoPost 19
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For sure the government is out of control, just look at what is happening at our southern borders and that kind of describes what is happening in government today, and all this crap starts at the top.

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06-26-2014 06:48 PM  3 years agoPost 20
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nah, that's not an issue,
the rule is against self-proclaimed Pro-r/c-Players fooling around with their gizmos
Unfortunately the laywers and judges view things as they are written, not as they are intended

Gary Wright

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