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06-25-2014 02:16 PM  4 years agoPost 41
revmix

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Response from the AMA.
did not mention Pro~r/c~Player activity & 'drone' danger

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06-25-2014 02:55 PM  4 years agoPost 42
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fwiw..

Be willing to bet the majority of rc modelers do not know about, or care about the FAA as it pertains to them. Unless the NSA sends troops to enforce these "guidelines", no worries....
Government interference into legitimate business enterprise is a slippery slope...I expect to see a large portion of my AMA dues going to lawyers near term.

Show of hands...How many check for TFRs before flying?.....How many care?

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06-25-2014 02:56 PM  4 years agoPost 43
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"reps and sponsored pilots would be operating under part 91.
But ONLY if they have a current FAA Commercial rating per your previous post, right? What about the guys (i.e. the vast majority) who don't? According to you they'd need that rating.
Hmmm...maybe not such a bad thing... I have all my ratings up to and including ATP in both fixed and rotary wing. Maybe I can be a pro sponsored pilot after all if this true and the current pros who don't get that rating go bye-bye. "

Heim, that's just my interpretation. They'd be operating under 91 and not as an exempted model, and they receive something from their sponsors, so they're receiving compensation. Flying and recieving compensation means commercial license required. Nothing is done yet, this is just a document posted in the fed register for comments,.. but if past experience tells me anything,..they'll go through the motions of collecting all the comments for the required timeframe, then totally ignore them and write the regs the way they want.

Good excuse to get my commercial <G>

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06-25-2014 04:02 PM  4 years agoPost 44
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missing the FAA promulgate point... if -
States AMA President Bob Brown, “The FAA interpretive rule effectively negates Congress’ intentions, and is contrary to the law. Section 336(a) of the Public Law states that, ‘the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft…’,

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06-25-2014 05:57 PM  4 years agoPost 45
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Quite a few local cities and towns have already banned all RC activities within their city limits.
a bad apple spoils the bunch every time don'it. "ALL" rc activities? kind of draconian really.

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06-25-2014 08:31 PM  4 years agoPost 46
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Show of hands...How many check for TFRs before flying?.....How many care?
BC
I get the email bulletins about it when the VIPs come into town. I avoid flying anything larger than a micro outside of my home during those times, or just go and do other things. What I hate is that usually those a really nice days to go flying too. But I am sure the real full size airplane folks hate the TFR's too.
a bad apple spoils the bunch every time don'it. "ALL" rc activities? kind of draconian really.
Yeah it is pretty draconian. But they really did it though.

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06-25-2014 09:19 PM  4 years agoPost 47
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Something most people are missing here- the 'assumption' is you will need to be rated XYZ in order to do this or that with your r/c. That is EXACTLY what the FAA wants!

See, right now, today, the FAA can't really do anything to the average r/c modeler. However... if you have any rating of any type they WILL threaten to pull your certificate. It has happened. That is how they are twisting arms. The more people they have get their rating, the more control they have.

I am all for the requirement of going through the ground school portion of flight training so that you have the same knowledge of the airspace as a typical private pilot. However I think this is only applicable if you are going beyond line of site at altitudes that would be in conflict with full scale aircraft.

Requiring a commercial cert for flying a Phantom in your front yard is an abuse of power.

I applaud and support the AMA 100%, but I did say back at the convention that there is a price to be paid when you dance with the devil and the FAA is showing their true self here again.

-Ryan
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06-25-2014 09:24 PM  4 years agoPost 48
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06-25-2014 09:32 PM  4 years agoPost 49
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There are plenty of laws in place already.
You can't endanger or hurt people or property.
. . . The FAA has no part in that.
What the FAA has done is way over exaggerate the perceived danger.
. . . and get slapped down by a judge for doing it.

The FAA needs to loose a few more cases before it starts to learn it's place in society.

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06-25-2014 11:03 PM  4 years agoPost 50
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Flown by irresponsible pilots
AMA goes with the crowd, FAA protects public safety

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06-26-2014 04:20 AM  3 years agoPost 51
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fwiw..

Recently, I was driving to a company facility at Red Hill and Warner ave. Those familiar with Orange County CA will,recognize that that is on the approach pat for John Wayne Airport...
Asi headed south, I saw a dot in the sky directly over the intersection of Barranca and Red Hill...As I got closer, I realized this was a large octocopter wih a camera attached....About 150 foot altitude...The airliners on this approach at this point are at 5 to 600 feet.
This will be a huge problem, but the AMA can only defend our interests as hobbyists....Many of the people using this technology are not pilots first, nor do they care about the impact on the hobby..

I wish us all luck.

John.

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06-26-2014 02:13 PM  3 years agoPost 52
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no worries AMA
I wish us all luck.
designated flying field is not effected

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06-26-2014 02:24 PM  3 years agoPost 53
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designated flying field is not effected
Lou,

IRCHA is a designated flying field with many sponsored pilots.

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06-26-2014 02:44 PM  3 years agoPost 54
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IRCHA
hobby flying is not restricted

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06-26-2014 03:11 PM  3 years agoPost 55
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not restricted
But being paid to fly at IRCHA (designated flying field) is.

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06-26-2014 03:22 PM  3 years agoPost 56
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But being paid to fly
not hobby/recreation

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06-26-2014 03:35 PM  3 years agoPost 57
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not hobby/recreation
Being paid to fly period, no matter where you do it or what you fly, is not hobby/recreation, but that wasn't changed by the interpretation. That's always been FAA's position.

They've simply clarified what being paid to fly means in this note.

Specifically, pilots performing 3D at events for any form of compensation/hire seems to be one of the uses they're specifically targeting. 3D flying as a job seems to be either coming to an end or will be saddled with some kind of certification/training requirements, like full-scale commercial aviation is.

Times they are a-changin'....

LS

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06-26-2014 03:43 PM  3 years agoPost 58
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I am all for the requirement of going through the ground school portion of flight training so that you have the same knowledge of the airspace as a typical private pilot. However I think this is only applicable if you are going beyond line of site at altitudes that would be in conflict with full scale aircraft.
For what it's worth, this type of difficulty came up in the Sport Pilot rule for full-scale some years back now. Specifically, integrating certain types of Light Sport aircraft like powered parachutes. A long cross country requirement is ridiculous in a PPC which maxes out at an airspeed of 20mph. Also, how does a PPC navigate the traffic pattern at even a class D airport?

And so forth. I haven't flown a PPC in a while now, so I don't know how or if that was ever finally resolved.

So, it can be tricky business trying to come up with a one-size-fits-all regulatory apparatus for everyone.
Requiring a commercial cert for flying a Phantom in your front yard is an abuse of power.
Yep, sometimes the FAA gets this right but sometimes they get it wrong. They've really got a tiger by the tail on the "UAS" thing and it could really be a struggle for them. And us!

LS

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06-26-2014 03:44 PM  3 years agoPost 59
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Specifically
even @ RR business is not allowed at some sections, only private hobby related stuff

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06-26-2014 03:48 PM  3 years agoPost 60
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even @ RR business is not allowed at some sections, only private hobby related stuff
Precisely....

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