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07-06-2014 05:44 AM  6 years ago
unclejane

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So you're doing almost nothing?
What gives you that idea?
The last two (see above) don't even involve any of the key decision makers and have zero influence with the FAA so why would you even waste your time, especially when your posts are a detriment to the issues at hand.
So countering misinformation and enjoying the hobby are wastes of time and a "detriment to the issues at hand"?

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07-06-2014 05:49 AM  6 years ago
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DJI is not responsible in any way for some dip$hit who flies the phantom they purchased on Amazon into a building in NYC. Its up to the individual to get the training, practice, and knowledge needed to do this the right way.
Wishful thinking, but the reality is that's just not the way it works. Once the lawyers get involved everyone gets sued. I don't agree with it (I'm a firm believer in people taking responsibility for their actions), but that's how it works. Everyone even remotely involved will get sued and the lawyers will collect as much $$$ as possible from everyone involved.
  
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07-06-2014 05:56 AM  6 years ago
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What gives you that idea?
Your response.
So countering misinformation and enjoying the hobby are wastes of time?
When they have no influence on the key decision makers, yes, they are a waste of time

There's a difference between doing things right and doing the right things.

Perhaps you missed my last question:

If you know everything, why hasn't the AMA hired you as a consultant to lead them through their dealings with the FAA?
  
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07-06-2014 06:03 AM  6 years ago
unclejane

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Your response.
Which response? And what about it makes you think I'm doing practically nothing?
When they have no influence on the key decision makers, yes, they are a waste of time
So do you always "influence the key decision makers" when you enjoy the hobby? Who are these "key decision makers"? I guess it's not your fellow hobbyists is it? Nah, they don't count. Neither do these non-entities here on RR. So it sounds like most of the hobby itself is a waste of time to you isn't it?
If you know everything, why hasn't the AMA hired you as a consultant to lead them through their dealings with the FAA?
Sounds like a job for you, not me or any of the other "wastes of time". Have you talked to TMoore about this job, perhaps?

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07-06-2014 12:28 PM  6 years ago
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DJI is not responsible in any way for some dip$hit who flies the phantom they purchased on Amazon into a building in NYC. Its up to the individual to get the training, practice, and knowledge needed to do this the right way.
Wishful thinking, but the reality is that's just not the way it works. Once the lawyers get involved everyone gets sued. I don't agree with it (I'm a firm believer in people taking responsibility for their actions), but that's how it works. Everyone even remotely involved will get sued and the lawyers will collect as much $$$ as possible from everyone involved.
Actually it is the way it works. Yes someone may "attempt" to sue DJI, just as people attempt to sue the car companies, gun companies, even the alcohol companies! Where does it go? Nowhere. Show me a single case where the manufacturer bore responsibility (legally) for how someone used their product irresponsibly... Inevitably it comes down to the individual and their own actions. Yes the lawyers are the big winners, collecting whether they win or lose, so sue them!
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07-06-2014 01:06 PM  6 years ago
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Actually it is the way it works. Yes someone may "attempt" to sue DJI, just as people attempt to sue the car companies, gun companies, even the alcohol companies! Where does it go?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/o...s-sue.html?_r=0

"In 2004, relatives of eight people shot in the Washington-area sniper attacks received $2.5 million dollars from the maker and seller of the rifle used in those shootings."
  
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07-06-2014 01:24 PM  6 years ago
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And what about it makes you think I'm doing practically nothing?
Actions speak louder than words.
So do you always "influence the key decision makers" when you enjoy the hobby? Who are these "key decision makers"?
I do. Why would you not focusing on influencing the people making the decisions? The regulations are coming from the FAA, not the modeling community.
Sounds like a job for you, not me or any of the other "wastes of time".
That's what I thought, lots cheap talk, but no action.
  
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07-06-2014 01:53 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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Actions speak louder than words.
In other words, you can't produce my response that indicates I'm "doing practically nothing".
I do.
Who are they then? And what do you do to influence them at all times?

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07-06-2014 01:57 PM  6 years ago
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In other words, you can't produce my response that indicates I'm "doing practically nothing".
Who are they then?
FAA.
  
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07-06-2014 02:08 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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You want credit for submitting a form letter?
So you're not familiar with the process of working with the FAA on their rulemaking procedures? Have you put in a comment on the interpretation yourself?
If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.
In other words, you know no such "key decision makers" and you're the one blowing the hot air.

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07-06-2014 02:25 PM  6 years ago
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So you're not familiar with the process of working with the FAA on their rulemaking procedures? Have you put in a comment on the interpretation yourself?
I was asking that, I was asking if you want credit for submitting a form letter?
In other words, you know no such "key decision makers" and you're the one blowing the hot air.
Pretty much what I expected.

Funny, you keep dancing around the questions, but haven't answered anything yet.
  
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07-06-2014 02:27 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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I was asking that, I was asking if you want credit for submitting a form letter?
So you haven't submitted a comment? And you're not familiar with the FAA's rulemaking process? Don't go run off and do it now, now that I've popped your hand on it, your laziness is already out of the bag if you didn't do it before.
Pretty much what I expected.
Funny, you keep dancing around the questions, but haven't answered anything yet.
And I didn't think you knew any "key decision makers", nor did you try to impress them at all times if you did.

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07-06-2014 02:58 PM  6 years ago
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So you haven't submitted a comment? And you're not familiar with the FAA's rulemaking process? Don't go run off and do it now, now that I've popped your hand on it, your laziness is already out of the bag if you didn't do it before.
I didn't say that. If you know how the process works then you know the time frame for which public comments are being accepted.
  
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07-06-2014 03:03 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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I didn't say that. If you know how the process works (as you claim you do) then you know the time frame for which public comments are being accepted.
Seriously?!? You're trying to lecture others about do-lessness and laziness while you yourself sat here on your $$$ doing the very same absolutely nothing you're whining about?

You really didn't submit a comment??

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07-06-2014 03:24 PM  6 years ago
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Seriously?!? You're trying to lecture others about do-lessness and laziness while you yourself sat here on your $$$ doing the very same absolutely nothing you're whining about?

You really didn't submit a comment??
I wasn't lecturing, I was asking what you were doing to address the situation?
  
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07-06-2014 03:28 PM  6 years ago
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I wasn't lecturing, I was asking what you were doing about the situation? Being the subject matter expert you think you are, why would your name and date on a form letter be your only contribution?
OMG!?!.... You're begging for "what you were doing about the situation" and you don't even have the gumption to even try to save your own hobby yourself with even the eeensiest bit of effort?!?

You're too lazy, stupid and do-less yourself to even try to lift a finger, even a pinky, to ward off this assault on our hobby, and you presume to lecture others about sitting on their duffs?!?

Are you serious???

(FYI: here's mine: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=FAA-2014-0396-0013)

You really didn't go put in a comment on the interp, did you?!? You couldn't be bothered to do that even with a computer right there under your hands???

Please say it ain't so - produce a link to your comment. Don't run off and do it right now after you've been popped on the $$$ to do it!

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07-06-2014 03:46 PM  6 years ago
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When does the public comment period end?  
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07-06-2014 03:56 PM  6 years ago
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We need you to take action now and respond by July 25, 2014 to the FAA Interpretation of the Special Rule for Model Aircraft that was released June 23, 2014. The Academy has reviewed the rule and is extremely disappointed and troubled be the approach the FAA has chosen to take in regards to this issue. FAA's Interpretive Rule
From the AMA. Those who don't respond to the invitation to provided "public comment" need to be ashamed of themselves. Our hobby is under attack by the federal government. By doing nothing, you will be responsible for the demise of the RC hobby. Please get of your ass now and do your share to protect this hobby we value so much.
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07-06-2014 04:09 PM  6 years ago
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Best to stop fighting amongst ourselves and get busy writing your comment to the FAA interpretation if you haven't already done so. Please read the AMA's recommendation on how to effectively write a response (link below). There are effective responses and ones that get tossed without serious consideration. Be factual in your responses, don't go all antigovernment and clearly state your reasons for objecting or supporting the proposed regulations. Responses to docket number FAA-2014-0396 can be sent by email, letter via USPS, fax or hand delivered.
How to Respond to the FAA.

All AMA members, family and friends need to take action now to let the FAA know that this rule significantly impacts the entire aeromodeling community and that this community is resolute and committed to protecting the hobby.

There are four methods to submit a comment. Emailing your comment is the fastest and most convenient method. All comments must include the docket number FAA-2014-0396. Tips for submitting your comments.

Email: Go to http://www.regulations.gov. Follow the online instructions for sending your comments electronically.

Mail: Send Comments to Docket Operations, M-30; US Department of Transportation, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE., West Building Ground Floor, Room W12-140, West Building Ground Floor, Washington, DC 20590-0001.

Hand Delivery: Take comments to Docket Operations in Room W12-140 of the West Building Ground Floor at 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE., Washington, DC, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, except Federal holidays.

Fax: (202) 493-2251.

DEADLINE TO COMMENT: On or before July 25, 2014
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07-06-2014 04:26 PM  6 years ago
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@rexxigpilot - Yes, I will definitely be submitting my comments during the public comment period.  
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