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06-24-2014 03:36 AM  3 years agoPost 1
navyraptor

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http://www.techenstein.com/faa-come...model-aircraft/

http://www.faa.gov/about/initiative...t_spec_rule.pdf

came out today,

faa after all events, clubs, sponsored pilots

AMA is pointless

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06-24-2014 03:40 AM  3 years agoPost 2
TMoore

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Like I've been saying; the FAA doesn't know ****all about the hobby.

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AMA SECTION 336 = Good
Drones = EVIL

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06-24-2014 03:58 AM  3 years agoPost 3
don s

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Clubs and events OK (for now). Sponsored pilots in trouble.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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06-24-2014 04:51 AM  3 years agoPost 4
revmix

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Hobby or Recreation
"Pro-r/c-Players" were trying to be slick with the previous rules, now more clear regulations; read what's written & understand the true meaning [no other interpretation]
action~reaction; unsafe practice & for compensation ~ FAA had no choice but lay down the law

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06-24-2014 05:35 AM  3 years agoPost 5
Clarence Creer

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I recommend that everyone read the entire document and quit "reading into" the document. It doesn't state that anything is legal or illegal. It does state that if you meet these criteria that you may not be subject to future rule making concerning model aircraft.

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06-24-2014 11:42 AM  3 years agoPost 6
Heli_Splatter

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I do not see how the posted document has changed any current rules. I read the entire document twice.

In my opinion; getting free product for representing a company is the same as receiving money.

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06-24-2014 12:11 PM  3 years agoPost 7
Retired2011

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In my opinion; getting free product for representing a company is the same as receiving money.
Absolutely!

And I agree, nothing has changed.

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06-24-2014 01:53 PM  3 years agoPost 8
enahs

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Agree with the above. Doesn't strike me as much different than now which is a good thing. Seems like the FAA wants to get a handle on the commercial aspects without negatively affecting the hobbyists (with the AMA's help and support).

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06-24-2014 02:06 PM  3 years agoPost 9
jgunpilot

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I think statements such as, "AMA is pointless" contribute nothing to any debate about this topic. In the 40 plus years I've been a member of the AMA I've seen them do plenty to advance this hobby.

One proclamation from a government agency does not change that.

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06-24-2014 02:10 PM  3 years agoPost 10
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For most of us this is no big deal. For those that fly noon time demos or wear sponsor shirts, this rule could have nasty implications. Anyone wish to apply for a commercial model aircraft license? What would the practical test be and who would administer it? Can o worms there....

Jeff

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06-24-2014 02:53 PM  3 years agoPost 11
unclejane

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They're just clarifying what they mean by "model aircraft", which is exactly what I thought they were going to do eventually.

Note that they specifically clarify FPV ops as no longer "model aircraft" flying, meaning specific regulation will come to this mode of flying in the future. There's nothing saying it's suddenly illegal, just that it'll be regulated in some manner other than "model aircraft".

I'm 100% FPV these days so of course this got my attention; we'll just have to see what FAA does eventually come up with when they do promulgate their rules. I suspect by that time I'll have long since crashed all my machines and have returned to flying full-scale. Or I'll be too old to fly anything anymore .

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06-24-2014 02:54 PM  3 years agoPost 12
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why did they come down on demo pros?

fpv'rs will be in a quandry to fly line of sight with goggles on, how will that work?

The original document on model aircraft talks about use in public places as only possible after a machine and pilot are proven competent and worthy.

I didn't see anything in the rules regarding the film industry and for hire work done on PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Anyone wish to apply for a commercial model aircraft license? What would the practical test be and who would administer it? Can o worms there....
I think because of this shortcoming, no possible way to facilitate a for hire model aircraft license, the door is open to continue until such processes are defined available and accessible.

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06-24-2014 03:03 PM  3 years agoPost 13
unclejane

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fpv'rs will be in a quandry to fly line of sight with goggles on, how will that work?
It won't - if you're flying FPV you're now, as of yesterday, specifically doing something other than flying a "model aircraft".

This means we FPV'ers are kind of in a la-la-land outside of modeling now. We're not "modelers" anymore, but it's not entirely clear what we actually are now. We're something - "UAS"s or "experimental aircraft" or "special airworthiness certificate holders" or something like that.

But we're definitely no longer "modelers" flying "model aircraft". Again, this is exactly what I predicted FAA was going to do with FPV operations.

So FAA will now have to come up with a category for us as well as a set of regs and only the dear baby Jesus knows what that will actually be.

As for the "sponsored pilot" thing, yeah, this is definitely a Hiroshima event for that. That will come to a screeching halt and pronto... I think we saw that coming too tho.

LS

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06-24-2014 03:29 PM  3 years agoPost 14
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@navyraptor - Thanks for sharing.

  

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06-24-2014 04:08 PM  3 years agoPost 15
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As for the "sponsored pilot" thing, yeah, this is definitely a Hiroshima event for that. That will come to a screeching halt and pronto... I think we saw that coming too tho.
So what does that mean for IRCHA? Will the sponsored pilots need a license to perform the noontime demos?

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06-24-2014 04:10 PM  3 years agoPost 16
gwright

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hmm,.. so they're saying anyone that flies a demonstration at an event, and/or is a sponsored pilot must have a comercial pilots license (flying for hire) and comply with part 91. Guess that would apply to anyone doing R&D on new products also.

If manuf cannot demonstrate their products at events, they'll stop attending events.

No event sponsorship from manuf/dist and the events will dwindle to nothing.

No way this happens to this extent after the comment period. They would kill an entire industry.

Gary Wright

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06-24-2014 04:17 PM  3 years agoPost 17
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It says receive money, so Pro pilots out, but reps ok my opinion. Getting parts is not receiving money in the strict letter of the law. If it was, they would likely have said receive money or some other form of compensation. We need to start writing a lot of letters. My opinion and 5 bucks will buy you a cup of Coffee at Starbucks.

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06-24-2014 04:33 PM  3 years agoPost 18
Heli_Splatter

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Commercial Use
The FAA has always strictly controlled commercial use of the airspace. Even to the point of suspending licenses for giving rides and splitting the cost of fuel.

It is a wonder that they have not shut down the sponsored pilots of RC aviation before. I guess they will be closing that loop hole shortly. If you want to do it commercially, you are going to have to comply with the forthcoming rules.

If you want to putz around within line of sight... it will pretty much be no change.

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06-24-2014 04:34 PM  3 years agoPost 19
Rafael23cc

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I have not had the chance to read the document, but here is my input on part of the issue...

Those of you flying FPV and are questioning this position of the FAA, are missing a big point. According to the AMA, you should have been flying with a spotter, that made sure the aircraft was within line of sight, since the AMA published their updated Safety Code a long time ago. If you have not been using a spotter, you were not covered by the AMA insurance. Now, if you are not following the AMA rules to begin with, why are you suddenly worried about the FAA?

Rafael

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06-24-2014 04:38 PM  3 years agoPost 20
RM3

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It says receive money
so what if you go to a funfly, take your models with you to demonstrate them for the purpose of selling them cause you don't want them anymore? Or youve developed a product and are demonstrating its capabilities or functions?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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