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06-25-2014 06:00 PM  3 years agoPost 21
Grimracer

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Well.. it was not pretty but I got in my first flight.

As bad a flight as this is Im still going to share it. Its a work in progress and it needs to be shared.

All the maneuvers are from Darrells drawings, OR, mandatory’s

So.. I took off and trimmed the heli.. then landed and made my fight.. I missed the pad on my landing BY A BUNCH..lol

Enjoy my struggles!

Grimracer

BTY.. the quality of this video is UGLY.. but its all I got..

Watch at YouTube

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06-25-2014 11:24 PM  3 years agoPost 22
darrelluh1b

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If you look at the flight Maneuvers There is a blank form all you need to do is fill it out 3 times one for each judge. AMA 518 has no free flight maneuvers these are only ideas for something to do.

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07-01-2014 08:27 PM  3 years agoPost 23
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I hope update soon.. The weather has been tricky lately and flying far and few between.

Lets keep this thread going..

I hope to do up my Deliration soon.

Grimracer

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07-01-2014 09:16 PM  3 years agoPost 24
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Just a suggestion
I think the best advice for anybody new to competition is to just practice "everything". What I mean by that is, it's sometimes very hard to explain things through a computer (or even over the phone) such as certain maneuvers or do you need to include a "takeoff" or "landing", etc etc.

So if you practice all the things that a full size chopper does, such as takeoffs and landings, climb outs, flybys, etc etc, you'll be prepared for anything. Pick 5 to 10 maneuvers to practice even though you may only want to use 4 or 5 for the competition. Some you'll like to do more then others and of course some you'll do better then others. Try and get a friend to fly with and watch you.

The biggest thing, try and be very smooth and in control. Most guys fly way too fast. So practice smooth, slow, and in control. This is much more important then being a few degrees off in your climb out or missing the landing pad etc. etc.

And of course, at the pilots meeting Sunday night and all through out the competition, Darrell, the judges, and any of the seasoned guys will answer any questions and help as much as possible. So if you practiced as much as possible and not worry about all the specifics, this will help you relax and have fun because that is the bottom line....even though it's a competition, it should be fun. And because of all the great guys that are involved, that too makes it a great time for all. Mark

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07-02-2014 05:04 PM  3 years agoPost 25
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Thanks mark for chiming in.

I did manage to get back out today but this was just a flight test (Governor Test). It was quite windy and so it was just a few test hovers.

Gordy (Pilot) and Joe (On the skid) agree.. the machine is coming along well.

Grim

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07-02-2014 05:29 PM  3 years agoPost 26
hrc37

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Wind
Hey Grim, you bring up another good point. Try and practice in the wind...of course within reason. It can get pretty windy in Muncie. Of course we try and fly early before it has a chance to pick up but that doesn't always work out. I know most guys (including myself) really only like to fly scale machines in calm conditions but at the NATs you got to deal with what your dealt with. Mark

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07-02-2014 05:34 PM  3 years agoPost 27
doorman

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The Wind Is Your Friend!!!!!!
Mark is right that you should practice flying in the wind....Muncie can get a bit rough some times...
I personally like a 5-10mph "breeze".. but have flown in higher...
So don't let the wind stop you..

Good Luck,

Stan

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07-02-2014 08:05 PM  3 years agoPost 28
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OK.. take a peek, and others.. PLEASE FEEL FREE to use this format if it makes sence to you.

OK.. I dont know how to upload a PDF.....lets try a screen shot..

Grim

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07-03-2014 12:42 AM  3 years agoPost 29
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Flying in wind does only one thing... it makes you a better pilot! My bud Randy always sais, "in Florida, if you don't fly in wind, you don't fly at all". Same holds true for where I live in SoCal. Our field is constantly windy and it has eaten a scaler of mine.
Barry

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07-03-2014 02:17 AM  3 years agoPost 30
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last year IRCHA scale round 2 (I think it was) we had 15mph winds. Most of us flew..

The Marcel and Rolands machines flew very well in the wind.

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07-07-2014 03:30 PM  3 years agoPost 31
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Update..

I did get to get out and test the governor but at this time its still not right.. I am going to have to fly without it.. time is running out.

I am still have issues with the blades briskly loosing track..
I don’t know.. this is nip and tuck.. its time to fly it and let it blow up if it don’t work out.

The lack of being able to afford quality components is made this a nightmare. (that should change in the future)
When this one blows up I am going to need to make a decision In the words of the Clash.. Should I stay or should I go……….

It’s frustrating having all these resources so close to me but because I fly scale I am on my own..

I bet I am not the only one…

Grimracer

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07-07-2014 04:35 PM  3 years agoPost 32
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Scale Parts and Pieces!!!
Grim, you are 100% correct..
Manufactures are all geared to the largest segment of the hobby and that is, as you know, 3D..
Some are just beginning to realize that there are more of us "scale guy's" then they might have thought, and now are starting to offer SOME (spelled a little!!) parts and pieces we need...
Only reason that I can figure that your blades blow out of track are, headspeed to high??? Or, the c/g of the blades not the same?? Cyclic servos all have good centering???
I say this knowing that you have checked and have no loose bolts or arms anywhere on the machine....

Not sure of too much more I can suggest...

OOP's one more to go over.. Your thrust bearings ALL have the Large hole to the center of the head and the small toward the blade..

Good Luck Buddy... and don't let it frustrate you too much!!!!

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07-07-2014 05:44 PM  3 years agoPost 33
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Grim,
Looks like you are using the DC600PENTA head. I had an issue with a couple of the feathering shafts being machined wrong causing excess flap in a couple of the blades. If you are using 600 penta XM hobbies feathering shaft fit that head.
http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servle...-600Size/Detail

Also I noticed the blades off when you got to the field in the pic. If the blades are stored in the car on a hot day they can warp. Ensure they go back in the same place. I know that is simple but just have to check. Darryl also showed me to when setting up the pitch to check the pitch at the blade root and at the tip because the blade might be twisted just a bit. Check your ball links to ensure they aren’t slipping in the rod.

Governor: What engine are you running and what governor?

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07-07-2014 09:16 PM  3 years agoPost 34
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Stan
The head speed “could” be to high but even owning a tach I cannot get anybody to show up the some time I get to the field. I am going to have to “happen” on somebody that I can get to tach it. (I hope to get out wed night). Regardless I have ZERO idea what I should be spinning these at (550s) and will likely just need to feel them out. I also need to get that governor working so I can maintain that head speed.
The blades “could” be part of the problem. Went to great lengths to get them right, still, this could be the issue.
My servos “should” be good. Remember this dam thing is a 90 deg swash. Not sure that’s causing the issue or not. I have over 300inoz on the collective.
All nuts and bolts are good to go.
The washers in the head were check and re-checked when I got the head.

Copter,

Yes.. that’s is the head I am using.. Yes it feels like one or more blades have excess flapping. Its “slight” but could be it. (I will try to measure this)
I just might go ahead and get some new shafts. (bearings might be a good idea too).
The blades are stored and transported in the bag I made “on edge”. Yes.. they are “Cheap” blades (Carbon Fiber Falcon Brand) and NOT CG forward blades, BUT, I went ahead and re-did the blades (moved the CG forward and adjusted the weights) and this helped a bunch. They are Dead Smooth on the machine when they are tracking. (so everybody does not think I’m clueless I will post some pics of the process I did on that)
Check blade pitch root to tip, CHECK.. noted and good idea.
I updated the ball studs and rods to 3mm units.

Thanks for the help everybody.

Grim

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07-07-2014 09:22 PM  3 years agoPost 35
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Missed one..

I am using the Zero Alpha on my TT56 motor. The motor is very smooth and so far been good.
The governor will either shut the motor off (yes I have had a dead stick with this model and that’s was not cool) .OR. Maintain said RPM for a short time and then slowly ramp down into a lower head speed. Just odd?
I use the Futaba 750 as my digi controller.. so I “might” setup the governor using that.
I have this same governor on my MD530 and its working great. I might just have a bad unit.

I am going to re-check everything tonight.

Grim

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07-08-2014 02:37 AM  3 years agoPost 36
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I reset the Governor magnet so it triggers at BDC.. (I have ZERO idea if this will help but it cant hurt.

The way it looks all is fine with the rest..

Update more as I can

Grim

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07-08-2014 05:21 AM  3 years agoPost 37
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Here's a quick sanity check for you. Drive a nail into the edge of your work bench (nice and square to the edge). Then hang all of the blades on the nail. You may find one that doesn't hang even with the rest. This one will either have a leading or trailing edge bias. This could be your culprit... When they are balanced, they will all hang together in a straight line. If this is your problem, it will usually be obvious which blade is bad.
Barry

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07-08-2014 12:53 PM  3 years agoPost 38
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Thanks Berry.. good thinking..

I did that to determine the static balance of the lead and lag.

I then teeter balanced them

I then weighed them..

I wrote a program on my CNC to pocket the blades with the proper amount of weight to place the blades at neutral lead and lag. 4 of the 5 blades were lighter then the last one so they all got weight on the CG.

The blades are dead balanced on the X

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07-08-2014 12:54 PM  3 years agoPost 39
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Gov
I am using the 750 as well in a nitro 3d machine and it is rock solid in the gov.

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07-08-2014 03:33 PM  3 years agoPost 40
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Ok.. If this Gov dont get it I will update.

Parts on the way..just in case...

Grim

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