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06-18-2014 08:11 PM  4 years agoPost 1
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The latest in scientific research: There is no gay gene


By Bryan Fischer, June 18, 2014

Even the rabid left-wing Guardian newspaper in the UK is retreating like the outgoing tide from the lie that homosexuals are born that way.

One of the reasons that homosexual activists bludgeon people into accepting biological determinism with regard to homosexuality is that they must have it. If homosexuality is not in fact genetically caused, they have nothing. Their entire argument, their entire movement, is predicated on the utterly false premise that gayness is the genetic equivalent of race. The foundation on which they stand is their claim that just as no one can do a thing about skin color, so no one can do a thing about sexual orientation.

Without a genetic causation, sexual preference in behavior is clearly a choice, a choice which no one is compelled to make. And that choice can be evaluated in any number of ways, including whether or not it is good for human health and whether or not same-sex households are sub-optimal nurturing environments for vulnerable young children.

If homosexuality is biologically determined, then the rest of us don't have much choice but to accept it as a sad and unfortunate reality. But if homosexual conduct is ultimately a matter of choice, then the homosexual lobby has nothing, because homosexual conduct is clearly harmful to human beings in any number of ways, not the least of which is serving as the leading cause of HIV/AIDS, which can leave young men disease-ridden and destined for an early grave.

We don't want that future for anyone. We believe that every human being is made in the image of God, is of infinite worth, and is a free moral agent capable of making life-affirming decisions and refusing life-destroying ones. This is true with regard to sexual behavior, drug and alcohol use, and interpersonal relationships.

Along comes the Guardian with its piece that blows the entire foundation of the gay "rights" movement completely out of the tub.

Note just the first three paragraphs and the fifth (emphasis mine throughout):

"A study of gay men in the US has found fresh evidence that male sexual orientation is influenced by genes. Scientists tested the DNA of 400 gay men and found that genes on at least two chromosomes affected whether a man was gay or straight.

"A region of the X chromosome called Xq28 had some impact on men's sexual behaviour – though scientists have no idea which of the many genes in the region are involved, nor how many lie elsewhere in the genome.

"Another stretch of DNA on chromosome 8 also played a role in male sexual orientation – though again the precise mechanism is unclear...

"Michael Bailey, a psychologist at Northwestern University in Illinois, set out the findings at a discussion event held in conjunction with the annual meeting of theAmerican Association for the Advancement of Science in Chicagoon Thursday. 'The study shows that there are genes involved in male sexual orientation,' he said."

The Guardian is hoping readers won't notice how deliberately and intentionally the paper has purposely avoided any word that might even suggest biological causation. "Influenced by, affected, some impact, played a role, involved." Not exactly a rousing case for the "born that way" crowd.

It even gets worse from there:

"The gene or genes in the Xq28 region that influence sexual orientation have a limited and variable impact. Not all of the gay men in Bailey's study inherited the same Xq28 region. The genes were neither sufficient, nor necessary, to make any of the men gay."

I'm not sure it gets any clearer and less ambiguous than that: "The genes were neither sufficient, nor necessary, to make any of the men gay."

One problem all along for gay activists is that even a cursory survey of sexual orientation among identical twins makes the "born that way" meme impossible to accept.

Identical twins have identical DNA, which is why they are called identical twins. If one has blue eyes, so will the other. If one has black hair, so will the other. If one is tall, so is the other.

If sexual orientation is genetically determined, then the concordance rate among identical twins should be 100%. If one twin is gay, so should be the other. Alas, the concordance rate, according to researchers Peter Bearman from Columbia and Hannah Bruckner from Yale, is somewhere between 5% and 7%. Oops.

The Guardian swallows hard, but notes this fact:

"The flawed thinking behind a genetic test for sexual orientation is clear from studies of twins, which show that the identical twin of a gay man, who carries an exact replica of his brother's DNA, is more likely to be straight than gay. That means even a perfect genetic test that picked up every gene linked to sexual orientation would still be less effective than flipping a coin."

In other words, the genetic evidence for biological causation is so poor you'd have better luck predicting orientation by throwing darts blindfolded.

Bailey adds, "We found evidence for two sets [of genes] that affect whether a man is gay or straight. But it is not completely determinative; there are certainly other environmental factors involved."

We have often argued that environment has by far the largest impact on a young child's sense of sexual identity. The nature of a young boy's relationship with his father and with this mother can play an outsized role. Same-sex abuse at an early age can leave a lasting imprint on a boy's sense of his sexual identity.

One of Bailey's colleagues, Alan Sanders chimes in this way: "When people say there's a gay gene, it's an oversimplification. There's more than one gene, and genetics is not the whole story."

Bearman and Bruckner put it this way: "[O]ur results support the hypothesis that less gendered socialization in early childhood and preadolescence shapes subsequent same-sex romantic preferences."

Another way to put it is that Rick Perry was exactly right, when he said this in San Francisco:

"Whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that. I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way."

It looks like Gov. Perry is the progressive one here, articulating a view that is much more in line with the latest biological and scientific thinking than our friends in the gay lobby.

I am not persuaded that genes are even a contributing factor – but even if they are, the great news is that if individuals are not biologically predetermined to pursue the homosexual lifestyle, then change is possible as a matter of scientific fact. This leads to one simple, salient truth: there is hope for the homosexual.

http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014...e/?subscriber=1

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06-18-2014 09:14 PM  4 years agoPost 2
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Blah de Blah blah blah..........

We're here Denny boy.....get used to it. We dont care what wacky arguments you come up with to disparage us...we're here to stay.

Doesn't matter if it's genetic, subconcience, selected, or little pink fairies that wave the Gay wand over you....the fact is......you cant use religious texts to impose your version of morality over us....plain and simple.

Post all the articles you want....you're not going to "convert" us....you're not going to "pray the Gay away"......you're not going to change us no matter how icky you think it is....sorry....just ain't gonna happen

Accept us or dont.....does not make one bit of difference to me as none of the people posting in these threads mean anything to me.....

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06-18-2014 09:22 PM  4 years agoPost 3
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We're here Denny boy.....get used to it. We dont care what wacky arguments you come up with to disparage us...we're here to stay.
Post all the articles you want....you're not going to "convert" us....you're not going to "pray the Gay away"......you're not going to change us no matter how icky you think it is....sorry....just ain't gonna happen
Just making the point that if you are born that way, then genetics have to be involved. Not so.

Thats the point.

Why would you think I tried to disparage you?

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06-18-2014 09:43 PM  4 years agoPost 4
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OK....i should have worded my post a little differently. I dont think you were personally disparaging me. The article was definitely disparaging.....as they usually are when considering the source (of the article).

As it has been said before (exhaustingly)....there is no proof that being gay is genetic.....and so far.....there is no proof that it is not.....period.

I dont know what makes people gay. You dont know either. Nobody knows. All I know is that there have been gay people since there have been PEOPLE. It doesnt matter if they were born that way or somehow decided that this is the way they wanted to be....the fact is....we should not be subjected to your version of morality just because you disagree with it.

Being gay may or may not be a choice.....but religion certainly is a choice......

CB

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06-18-2014 09:49 PM  4 years agoPost 5
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Also....
When I said that none of the people posting in these threads mean anything to me.....that did not mean that I didn't respect certain folks in here. I still consider us friends even though our political views are diametrically opposed. I respect several folks in here....Greyeagle...R Hudson....several others. If I offended anyone...that was certainly not my intention.

CB

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06-18-2014 10:43 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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Culture has been with us Century upon Century and even LONGER than Official written record's. Different & COMMON

From the royal Persian Unic " FIxed " that stopped to hear the Gospel, " Explanation " from a Disciple " Poor OLE Disciple " while HE is reading a copy of the original Old Testament Scripts. In HIS CHARIOT !!! $$$$$$. Came all the way from Persia ! To Listen to a rag picker

Actually it is a WONDERFUL Story the question's and answers for the understanding explanation of the GOSPEL -- He did Not make the Link or Understand. Kinda a BLANK at the Time -- Then the Link is made

Then all the way to the Rise and Fall of Roma and BEYOND. Into the NEW TESTAMENT of the Bible = CHRIST JESUS Arrival. Again Common among the population's of the world -the continuation-----------

Did NOT Start : as SAM & ADAM but Adam and Eve. OLd TESTAMENT

THe Book is specific : Don't DO IT : That's It -=-- Don't.

Their where EVEN Complete Secular churches that SPUN OUT! --DOn't DO IT : Then the FOUR definition's of LOVE
Per the BOSS. The Prince of Peace IN-CHARGE

GAY is a INVENTED Word : Should of used "Different" just DON't DO IT !

THe ERROR of Argument among the CHRIST Bound CHURCH : Was when They Stole the WORD MARRIAGE

WHY ? LEgal and $$$ and Material Property then to obtain Children - LOVE. Then THRU Children the BEhavior propagated - BAck to the Origin of Time & Record = DOn't DO IT

The Next ?? Ponder or Question ?? YES !! = JUST DON"T DO IT !
Because then you are NOT = Just Different ! Special :

ALL are welcome too the Foot of the CROSS to the Feet of the BOSS

Think of ??? ::: Kinda like a recovering Chocaholic when they learn the teaching's of JESUS

Bada Bing Bada BOOM !!

SOme will get it = Both Sides of the Coin MAry's DEAD

Now Let's ALL Strap Up and go Pillage a Village in the Middle EASt !!!
The CRAP has NEver Stopped - They are going to need Doctor Jesus

greyeagle

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06-18-2014 11:14 PM  4 years agoPost 7
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For what ever reason my Dad decided to tell me that he was " gay and only gay and it has always been that way".

I pointed out that he might have a little bit if a chalenge convincing any of his 3 sons... he paused for a second and we had a good laugh.

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06-19-2014 01:44 AM  4 years agoPost 8
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I dont know what makes people gay. You dont know either. Nobody knows. All I know is that there have been gay people since there have been PEOPLE. It doesnt matter if they were born that way or somehow decided that this is the way they wanted to be....the fact is....we should not be subjected to your version of morality just because you disagree with it.
Please explain where I have subjected you to my version of morality upon you in this thread.

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06-19-2014 02:23 PM  4 years agoPost 9
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I have a couple of gay friends that I have known since kindergarten. Knowing them as both a child, and an adult makes me question the validity of this research. Just as I could never choose to be gay, I don't think they could choose not to be.

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06-19-2014 02:40 PM  4 years agoPost 10
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Well, back in my days of school, I noticed no one that displayed gay tendencies.

Not one.

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06-19-2014 02:52 PM  4 years agoPost 11
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I simply do not care how or why some one is or is not gay. It is a non issue to me. That said I could not care less who someone sleeps with. As long as both are consenting adults I just don't care.

There should be no laws supporting or unsupport gay life styles.

Can we now move along to something that really matter's

Rudy Ackerman Houston TX/Bend OR

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06-19-2014 03:23 PM  4 years agoPost 12
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Maybe you just didn't notice? Do you know anyone that is a gay adult that you knew as a child? Back then we didn't think they had gay tendencies. We did not know anything about being gay or straight. But looking back at it, there is no doubt some had what I would consider gay tendencies.

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06-19-2014 03:30 PM  4 years agoPost 13
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I agree with you Rudy, I don't care either way, but this is off topics, and none of it matters.

Mike

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06-19-2014 03:37 PM  4 years agoPost 14
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Maybe you just didn't notice?
That's what I said.

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06-19-2014 04:05 PM  4 years agoPost 15
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I took it to imply that since you didn't notice it, that it must not have been there. Just making sure I was on the same page. I'm still interested if you know anyone that is gay as an adult that you also knew as a child.

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06-19-2014 04:19 PM  4 years agoPost 16
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I could find out my best friend of 25 years is totally gay, I'd love him just the same. Known lot's of gay men and lesbians in my life. I simply don't care. That being said, the LBGT community does themselves no favors by CONSTANTLY trying to ram it down everybody's throats (no pun intended)...
A LOT more people are accepting of them than they think and the ones that aren't, will NEVER change their minds on the issue.

PS- CB... good to see you're back...

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06-19-2014 05:27 PM  4 years agoPost 17
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I dont know what makes people gay. You dont know either. Nobody knows. All I know
well the most high said this kind of immoral act has never come up in his heart much less to make human that way. So
this to me is now a self inflected cornea, .......believe
me if someone force on you and it's good you'll eventually
become addicted.

People choose to be this way and that ok for they're the one living in shame.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-19-2014 05:40 PM  4 years agoPost 18
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Well Dennis....just because you didn't notice them doesnt mean they weren't there.....back in the "oldie days" we didnt know Rock Hudson, Raymond Burr, Paul Lynd, Freddie Mercury, or countless others were gay.....but they were. Heck.....we flew together for years and you didn't know I was Gay...

FHB....Good to hear from you too Brother! I've been lurking here and there. There is only so much political arguing and esco bashing one man can take before they go batsh!t crazy.....I figured I'd take a break before that happened

Rudy.....dont take this the wrong way if you're not....are you the one armed pattern flyer in the PNW area? If you are....we flew together a couple years ago in woodburn.....I was the one with the giant Edge 540.

CB

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06-19-2014 05:45 PM  4 years agoPost 19
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I think I knew from day one that Freddie was gay...
Never stopped me from thinking he was one of THE all time great vocalists, even when I was in my teenage homophobic phase.....

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06-19-2014 05:45 PM  4 years agoPost 20
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Can I ask you CB, do you feel that this was a choice that you made, or is it just the way it is? Please don't take this as trying to bash you or anything like that. That is not my intent.

Mike

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