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06-07-2014 04:42 PM  4 years agoPost 301
unclejane

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Sort of....the delta in ROI will only occur is the investment is made in areas to which the business will benefit - increased efficiency, greater market access..and so on. Many business owners don't have the foresight when it comes to investment, and rely on following the market rather than driving it.
My first job out of college was working in the small business department of a multinational accounting firm, so I saw firsthand the differences in management from the business owners who saw their businesses as their own piggy bank, and others who poured every last nickel back into the business as part of their expansion. And yes, the ones who grew weren't just the ones that invested, it was that they knew where to invest.
We agree here. I've tended to see more cases where the investment in personnel is inadequate or mismanaged. True, you have to have a good business case to hire, but even that is an investment. Someone has to do the research and put the requirements together for a new hire - that's usually done by management and/or existing employees and their time is usually not cheap. Then of course, you have to bring them up to speed once hired. So there is some care that has to be taken there too.

Just throwing people at a problem is almost as common a mistake as slap refusing to hire anyone at all. When the ill-conceived plan breaks down, you just end up laying them off or firing them anyway just to minimize the losses.

This is kind of what you have in the bargain-basement warehouse full of morons that huey was talking about, for example.
My sense is that our friend is working for someone who is comfortable with the return he is receiving and may understand the investment model but sees limited return due to economic factors or can't afford to invest, or has other investments that provide greater return. Either way, I don't see our friend having much economic mobility and I think we agree on that.
As far as Dennis....Dennis lives in a world where he can pretend he is both omniscient and revered. He is, in every sense, Lord of the Flies.
Nah, he's just stupid...

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06-07-2014 05:13 PM  4 years agoPost 302
fla heli boy

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the other day FHB said he lives in a nice neighborhood for which he pays $600 a month for an apartment. He also said his neighbor lives off the government. So I did an apartment search in his city and found nothing that could be called nice for $600. So...experience tells me that when you live next to someone who is living off the government and the prevailing rates for apartments is far higher than $600, it probably isn't a "nice" neighborhood.
OK - guess I'm lieing then....
I moved in a few years ago when rents were low, so it might be 700 now....
And the woman that mooches next door lives like a pauper, but she survives somehow. But the fact remains, she can pay her bills and keep herself fed and never works a day, which was the whole point of my post. Meanwhile, my buddy who lives in the same building has asthma, 4 artificial joints, needs artificial knees, has scoliosis - yet still goes to work full time. Oh...and he's a vet.

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06-07-2014 05:27 PM  4 years agoPost 303
es1co2bar3

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Thank for clearing that up Uj I wanted to take him up on that
post but I forget.
600 per month these places is always in the bush 300 mlse from
any town or the local city civic center it'll take 911 service
at lease an hour to get there and the bug peeny wali to brighten theirs light at night.

I know he might not be lieing but it just like I laid it out
as far as I see in others state where place rent for cheap.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-07-2014 05:35 PM  4 years agoPost 304
Dennis (RIP)

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why would it be ok for people 1st hour of work they can only buy a gallon of milks and a box of cereal?
While the CEO make 300 x that amounts.
If you were the CEO, you wouyld not mind a bit.

Besides, you frickin libs celebrate an idiot actor making #50 million in a year while ripping apart a CEO that makes $5 million a year as has the responsibility of thousands under him.

As usual, you make no sense at all.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-07-2014 05:38 PM  4 years agoPost 305
fla heli boy

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well ding dongs..... I live 2 blocks behind the hospital. I'm 2 minutes from just about anything I need to drive to. I can walk to my favorite bar in 15 minutes. I'd like to move because I've got so much RC stuff now that I really need a garage, but I'm not moving because my location is SOOOO good. So, you'd both be wrong....as usual...
I used to pay even less when I managed the property for my son. But I know what everybody else pays and they're all within 25 bucks a month from what I'm paying.
Can I find a MUCH more expensive place to live??? Sure, this place is packed with VERY wealthy people and VERY expensive property. But why would I??? To impress people like you two??? I think not.... I prefer to spend my money on R/C, guns and ammo.

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06-07-2014 06:05 PM  4 years agoPost 306
Dennis (RIP)

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Its incredibly hilarious to debate the basic rules of supply and demand with loony liberals and their twisted slant on the same when all the while, they have to use the basic rules of supply and demand in the real world in order to survive in the real world.

Yuk, Yuk, snort, snicker.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-07-2014 06:31 PM  4 years agoPost 307
unclejane

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If you were the CEO, you wouyld not mind a bit.
You don't say? Of course the CEO doesn't mind being rich.
Besides, you frickin libs celebrate an idiot actor making #50 million in a year while ripping apart a CEO that makes $5 million a year as has the responsibility of thousands under him.
But if those "thousands under him" were acquired on the cheap like in the Conservative labor model, that CEO is presiding over a very bad business situation. When only the CEO is the rich one, the business is dead already and it's just a matter of time.

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06-07-2014 06:32 PM  4 years agoPost 308
koppter

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gosh dennis, I don't remember ever "celebrating" an actor or any entertainer while dishing a CEO...but I do remember you criticizing the CEO of Starbucks for his decision to embrace gay rights....doesn't seem to have hurt their stock price too much has it? As I said, you live in a completely mythical world, the Willy Wonka of the internet Tea Party surrounded by the Oompa Loompa minds of FHB, Huey, et al.

BTW, in reference to UJ, that was exactly the situation at the turn of the century when unskilled labor was abundant, workers had little rights, the rich were getting richer, and there was serious talk within labor about the benefits to the working class of communism.

And yes, it was those darned democrats that advocated for workers' rights.

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06-07-2014 06:46 PM  4 years agoPost 309
es1co2bar3

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If you were the CEO, you wouyld not mind a bit.
"You don't know what I would like you think everyone would have the minds of of those greedy 1% ter capitalist? ,

"Is this the kind of practice that causes Dee Tree Enterprise)
to fall ? Oh wait I wonder who get the blame for that, for business wasn't in California.

Hobbiest is still trying to find out what go wrong?
Father and son ineed of a capitalism Degree maybe?,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-07-2014 06:49 PM  4 years agoPost 310
unclejane

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BTW, in reference to UJ, that was exactly the situation at the turn of the century when unskilled labor was abundant, workers had little rights, the rich were getting richer, and there was serious talk within labor about the benefits to the working class of communism.
And yes, it was those darned democrats that advocated for workers' rights.
The comical thing is that, today, most of the advocates of Conservative labor policies are the intended victims of those policies.

Dennis, for example, defends rich-by-whatever-means-necessary-CEOs tooth and nail, but he very likely isn't one. In fact, he or someone he knows was probably a victim of some form of labor exploitation all his life, thinking that the raw deal he really got was actually the best he could have ever hoped for. I know he's a fan of "trickle-down", even tho he's probably never received a cent from it and maybe lost opportunities for a farm or two to it without even realizing it.

Huey seems to be in the same boat, defending the Laissez-Faire economic policies of his political party (Republican probably) that put him in his disadvantaged position in the first place with every ounce of strength he's got.

That's what makes Republican/Tea Party economic policy so laughable - the expendables themselves are the ones defending it the hardest...

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06-07-2014 07:03 PM  4 years agoPost 311
es1co2bar3

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I HOPE )))) Dee Treee Enterprise ((( CEO will speak out
There's a clear reason why it wasn't sustainable.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-07-2014 07:12 PM  4 years agoPost 312
Dennis (RIP)

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"You don't know what I would like you think everyone would have the minds of of those greedy 1% ter capitalist? ,
If you want to survive in a position like that, yes.

"Is this the kind of practice that causes Dee Tree Enterprise)
to fall ? Oh wait I wonder who get the blame for that, for business wasn't in California.
Totally my own fault.

I did get out of it what I wanted and what I needed.

To complicated for a turd like yourself to understand.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-07-2014 07:25 PM  4 years agoPost 313
es1co2bar3

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To complicated for a turd like yourself to understand.
"No liar, your wife refused to accept the minimum she divorce
your azz and take her 75% with her, and with all your down fall you still don't get it. "No wonder why you hate liberalism.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-07-2014 07:32 PM  4 years agoPost 314
Dennis (RIP)

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"No liar, your wife refused to accept the minimum she divorce
your azz and take her 75% with her, and with all your down fall you still don't get it. "No wonder why you hate liberalism.
Told ya you were to stupid to understand.

I was not even married at the time.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-07-2014 07:51 PM  4 years agoPost 315
baby uh1

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UJ and Koppter,

Thank you for asking but I do just fine. I have been with the company for thirteen years, manage 117 direct reports, and I make the going rate for a production manager for the St. Louis area, plus several bonuses for record profits over the years. And before you get all bent out of shape about our company making a profit, we have a very generous profit sharing plan for all of our employees.
You should also know that the person that I replaced eight years ago had a PHD and couldn't do the job, so don't try to tell me about how your are so educated that you don't have to worry about your careers.
Simply stated, I spend most of my days at work explaining things to over educated idiots like you that can't apply what they know to anything.

Oh, and like I mentioned earlier, our company is family owned,is very healthy, and we pay well above the average for the area.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-07-2014 08:16 PM  4 years agoPost 316
es1co2bar3

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about our company making a profit, we have a very generous profit sharing plan for all of our employees. 
don't fall for the lying azz capitalist as long as they re republican and is against minimum wage earner getting a raise.
just Read Into what he's saying, and ask he of all greedy CEO why
would he rewards anyone.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-07-2014 08:35 PM  4 years agoPost 317
unclejane

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Thank you for asking but I do just fine.
Really? Doesn't sound like you're doing "just fine", based on your whining you posted earlier:

"As a manager for a small manufacturer stuck between ownership and the shop employees I live this everyday. We lose business to India and China while having our benefits cut by idiotic programs like Obamacare, while struggling to find decent employees at a starting wage three dollars above minimum wage, all in an area of high unemployment! "

Sounds like:
- you have a near revolt going on among your shop employees against ownership
- you're bleeding business, perhaps fatally, to foreign markets in India and China
- "Obummer" is oppressing you with "ObummerCare" (cry me a river, why don't you)
- you're struggling with personnel issues (because you're obviously too cheap to pay a competitive wage).
Simply stated, I spend most of my days at work explaining things to over educated idiots like you that can't apply what they know to anything
- you're habitually hiring idiots or other unqualified personnel, most likely at a huge waste of company resources, such as your time and the losses associated with rapid turnover.

In fact, to me, you're describing a concern that's being badly mismanaged, and is practically at death's door because of that. If you have problems like this and you're still saying "I'm doing just fine", you're in really deep trouble. Do the terms "Bernie Madoff" and "Ponzi scheme" mean anything to you? They should.
Oh, and like I mentioned earlier, our company is family owned,is very healthy, and we pay well above the average for the area.
Naturally I'm skeptical. Sure doesn't sound like a healthy situation to me.

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06-07-2014 08:49 PM  4 years agoPost 318
Dennis (RIP)

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don't fall for the lying azz capitalist as long as they re republican and is against minimum wage earner getting a raise.
I am not aware of any republican against raising the minimum wage. All we ask is to do it responsibly. Give those people a raise each year equal to what everyone else gets based on the cost of living index in each area. Thats fair and reasonable.

Instead, you a##holes want to make it $15 per hour. That will cost jobs, raise prices across the board and some small businesses will close down entirely putting even more out of work. No one will gain by doing it that way. In fact, in the end game, those in the need will loose.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-07-2014 09:05 PM  4 years agoPost 319
koppter

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I was going to call it day on this but it just keeps getting funnier. Baby, no one manages 117 direct reports. Tell that BS to someone else. That's not managing, that's supervising - walking up and down a production line and making sure that people are clocked in, are wearing appropriate attire, aren't workers comp risks, and other such line work. are you preparing annual budgets? tax forecasting? labor and variance analyses? nope. I doubt you have a clue what UJ were talking about with delta and ROIs or IRR, or NPV, but yeah, you're a "manager".

compare your salary to the degreed managers in your area working for large private or public companies and see the difference an education makes - probably two to three times what you earn. and your company pays more then the average for the area - what three bucks above minimum wage?

is it supposed to mean something that the person you replaced had a graduate degree? it means nothing, other than they have more options than you. I know plenty of PhDs that don't have hands on experience, and I know plenty of MBAs that do. he or she can probably go teach at 100 grand a year. One can only imagine what profit sharing looks like when someone is making 10 - 11 bucks an hour and there are over a hundred line workers. "here's twenty dollars - Merry Christmas!"

Sorry guys, but you are nothing more than intellectual whiffle balls. You all chose what you thought was the easy way and when it didn't pan out, you blame everyone but yourselves.

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06-07-2014 09:05 PM  4 years agoPost 320
unclejane

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I am not aware of any republican against raising the minimum wage. All we ask is to do it responsibly. Give those people a raise each year equal to what everyone else gets based on the cost of living index in each area. Thats fair and reasonable.
It's also not a Conservative idea. In fact, this would amount to a huge "big government" program - just think of how much it would cost to nail down this COL index alone, much less set and administer the raises. This is more of a horrendous exercise in Red Tape at taxpayer expense than it would be a "fair and reasonable" or "responsible" minimum wage policy.
Instead, you a##holes want to make it $15 per hour. That will cost jobs, raise prices across the board and some small businesses will close down entirely putting even more out of work. No one will gain by doing it that way. In fact, in the end game, those in the need will loose.
Notice that the same argument could be applied to the vastly more complicated and intrusive COL index idea Dennis presents instead. And X10, because the resulting government program would have to be 10 times larger to administer this bloated pig of a mistake.

This is what idiocy really buys you.

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