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04-27-2014 02:21 AM  6 years ago
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grim.the.grim

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Alternate to the Align B6T 2 in 1 Voltage Regulator??
Is there a single unit alternate to the Align B6T 2 in 1 Voltage Regulator?

I like that it is a regulator and glow start in one. I like that it reduces extra wires and includes a visual voltage meter/indicator.

Is there another product out there that does the same (all three things)?

If not, what is your favorite form of remote glow start, voltage regulator, and voltage meter?
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04-27-2014 04:07 AM  6 years ago
Dan Minick

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Safe Switch Duo Pro. Iv got 3 of these, work perfectly again and again.

http://www.perfectregulators.com/in...7&product_id=84
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04-27-2014 05:37 AM  6 years ago
dkshema

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Of course, the Safe Switch isn't a regulator, so Mr. Grim would have to make sure his equipment will run from 6.6/7.4 volts without letting out the magic smoke.

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What is the reason you wish to use other than the 2 N 1, if I may be so bold as to ask?
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04-27-2014 05:41 AM  6 years ago
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Hmm
I thought the Duo Pro could regulate voltage down to 5.2 volts. Are you sure that it can't? I thought you could run high voltage or regulated.
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04-27-2014 06:13 AM  6 years ago
dkshema

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My bad. It does include a 5.3 volt regulator. But it is only good for 3 amps...HALF that of the 2 N 1. At 3 amps it is barely acceptable for a 450 FBL heli these days.

The Unregulated output is good for 20 amps, but it is nothing more than a high current electronic switch. It appears to have a regulated 3 amp maximum output designed to power a conventional gyro and tail rotor servo.
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04-27-2014 01:21 PM  6 years ago
Dan Minick

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You must have had a bad experience with prefect regs. Judging by all the hostility without fact. He didn't say he doesn't run HV. So I simply made my suggestion that works for me, I know lots of people running these happily.Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!
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04-27-2014 07:23 PM  6 years ago
dkshema

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Bad experience? No. Not used one, so I can't have had a bad experience.

Hostility? I have no idea where that charge came from. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

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I simply stated that the Switch Duo is not a regulator, and then added a correction.

The Safe Switch Duo is nothing more than a High Current switch for those who prefer to power their systems using either a 2S LiFe battery (6.6 volts nominal), or a 2S LiPo (8.4 volts nominal). When switching this voltage on/off, the unit is good for up to 20 amps of current. That is wonderful if you need it.

The Duo part comes in, as the Safe Switch Duo ALSO includes a 5.3 volt regulated output that has a maximum rating of 3.0 amps. This limited output power supply is intended for supplying power to a gyro and tail rotor servo, most of which typically aren't rated for greater than 6 volt operation.

Those facts are taken directly from the SafeSwitch Duo data sheet from the Perfect Regulator web site. If what I have stated above has no basis in fact, please correct me.

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In comparison, Grim is looking for an alternative to the Align 2 N 1 regulator. It accepts a 2S LiPo input at 8.4 volts nominal, and delivers a regulated 5.8 VDC that is good for up to 6.0 amperes continuously. It includes a glow driver (that works quite well) with a couple of LEDs to indicate Glow Plug health, runs for 15 seconds after being activated, and shuts down automatically. Further, the 2 N 1 also includes a soft-switch to allow you to turn power on and off, and includes an LED display showing the relative state of charge of your 2S flight pack battery.

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As he is USING the 2 N 1, it is safe to assume he is NOT set up for a high voltage power system. He likes the convenience of the built-in glow driver, the on/off switch, the glow plug health indicator, and the visual power supply voltage display.

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I see nothing in either of my posts that indicates a bad experience, or hostility. I see simple statement of fact, and one apology for not noting the 5.3V/3.0 amp regulated output in my first post.

There is also the simple statement of fact that a 5.3 volt 3.0 amp supply is totally insufficient for powering just about anything these days. Even a 450 class heli running a flybarless controller and digital servos is on the brink of needing more than a 3.0 amp supply.

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There was also a simple question for Grim as to why he is looking for a different power source other than the 2 N 1. Fair question, I would suspect the answer would be simple and straightforward, as well.

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If Grim is using this in conjunction with a nitro helicopter, and would like to use either a Limiter or Governor (and has at least a 7 channel transmitter), the Model Avionics Throttle Max is a very good option -- when teamed up with their RevGlow option. This is a nifty glow plug driver that does a whole lot more than either the 2 N 1 OR the SafeSwitch Duo. Of course, this only takes care of Grim's glow plug issue, and leaves him looking for a regulator.

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If Grim is willing to part with $100 of his hard-earned dollars, he might consider THIS option from Perfect:

http://www.perfectregulators.com/in...7&product_id=79

It seems to allow a wide input voltage, HAS ADJUSTABLE OUTPUT voltage, and those outputs are good for up to 10 amps. It has a separate regulated receiver output and does the glow plug stuff.
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04-27-2014 08:34 PM  6 years ago
grim.the.grim

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What is the reason you wish to use other than the 2 N 1, if I may be so bold as to ask?
Just look for an alternative if there is one. I really like the align version and have it on several helicopters, just wanted to see what else is out there and if it is any better.

Thank you so far to everyone for their suggestions.
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04-27-2014 09:20 PM  6 years ago
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if you have tho money and you have the space, (bit of a tight fit on a 600 size nitro)

1. http://www.gryphon-mall.com/product.php?id_product=37
this is an awesome power regulator, just remember to totally disconnect your lipo battery after flight, as it still draws power if "switched off", but has a lot of options. has multiple input voltage options and battery types (lipe, life, nicad ...)

2. http://switchglo.com/shop/product_i...jrm4mmc8u290f35
works awesome, have 2 of these, only note of caution, keep them away from to much oil as it makes their buzzer go quiet !

i have this setup on a 700 size heli (Raptor G4), works like a charm, had it on a 600 (trex600n-dfc), was a tight fit with lots of wire'ng all over the place but worked a charm !!

Shop around, i got the gryphon for sub-US$100 on a special and the pushglow for sub-US$30 on specials.
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04-27-2014 09:43 PM  6 years ago
Dan Minick

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Just making a point, why people are so fast to say something WRONG about a product when they don't even know fact. Its especially silly when a link to the EXACT product discussed was provided in the reply.

good luck grim
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04-27-2014 10:19 PM  6 years ago
dkshema

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Dye --
Just making a point, why people are so fast to say something WRONG about a product when they don't even know fact. Its especially silly when a link to the EXACT product discussed was provided in the reply.
Directly from the page whose link you posted:

The only regulated output from this device is 5.3 volts at 3.0 amps. The switch passes the raw battery input voltage through to the load (except for the aforementioned 5.3V/3.0 amp output). The switch for the unregulated output is good for 20 amps.

The facts as I stated are there, in print, on the web link you posted.

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I also happen to know the Align 3GX very well, as I have been using three -- two 600 Nitro Pros and one 700 Nitro, all having been converted to flybarless. The 600Ns were purchased in 2008, meaning they have performed flawlessly for me for six years, in their original flybarred application, and now in their FBL application. The 700N has been around for four years, starting life out as flybarred, and now in FBL configuration. Absolutely no regrets about using them, and no fears about their continued use.

The specifications of the Align 3GX are also as I quoted in my posts. Again, printed, verifiable fact.

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Knowing what the 2 N 1 DOES, and knowing that Grim is looking for a replacement (without having to replace all other electronics in his heli to go to a high voltage installation), I made a well reasoned explanation as to WHY the Perfect Switch Duo Pro WON'T work in Grim's application. It simply lacks the necessary current capability at its regulated 5.3 volt output to be useful in Grim's application.

I did not tear down the Perfect Switch Duo that you recommended, I did not disparage the company. I simply pointed out that for the intended application, your recommendation will simply NOT fill the bill. I DID, in a followup, recommend one from Perfect that WILL fill the bill.

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Further, I took the time to look at the ENTIRE Perfect Regulator site and proposed a solution FROM Perfect Regulators that WILL work in Grim's application.
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04-28-2014 06:22 AM  6 years ago
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Ive always used a SG Reactor X on my nitro helis. Affordable, fits the 600N side tray perfectly, has a switch with no failure points.

Im old school and still use a Glow driver and a hand held battery meter.

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04-28-2014 01:30 PM  6 years ago
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Is there another product out there that does the same (all three things)?

Wow! What a product! It does all three things ? How could you ever do better than that ? How long does this product typically last before it has a catastrophic failure and crashes your heli ?
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04-30-2014 03:29 PM  6 years ago
Russell Bear

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I use the perfect regulator Duo pro. Running 2S LiFe in a 700N FBL with all digital servos. Works perfect (no pun intended) for me, havent had any issues. Here's the link.

http://www.perfectregulators.com/in...7&product_id=84

If you don't use this you might as well fly fixed wing because you are not considered a heli pilot using anything else...
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04-30-2014 03:42 PM  6 years ago
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If you don't use this you might as well fly fixed wing because you are not considered a heli pilot using anything else...
perfect-pun example of bias
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04-30-2014 04:04 PM  6 years ago
grim.the.grim

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If you don't use this you might as well fly fixed wing because you are not considered a heli pilot using anything else...
I note a hint of sarcasm!!!
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04-30-2014 04:13 PM  6 years ago
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I use Fromeco Arizona regulators on my Nitro helis and a RCATS Lithium glow driver. Both have been in use for many years w/o issue.  
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04-30-2014 11:54 PM  6 years ago
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hey, thanks for throwing this up right now. My Shuttle fbl conversion could use one of these with the direct hv output to the gyro and rudder whilst making starting easier and at the same time running 6v cyclic and 8v throttle and rudder servos, dang, for maybe another cupla hunerd bucks my shuttle will be in flight (needs 3 cyclics that are up to date digital). I might be over thinking this plan, mixing servo voltages and stuff.

This regulator system for nitro fuel helis is something new to me, and the timing is perfect, thanks.
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