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04-26-2014 08:06 PM  6 years ago
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Spencer K

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Vbar question
I'm setting up a mini vbar (5.3) for the trex 550 and I don't notice the little hat symbol for leveling the swash at the bottom and top anymore. Where do they hide the button now? Please don't tell me that you have to buy pro to level the swash at the top and bottom now...
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04-26-2014 11:39 PM  6 years ago
BobOD

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Yes, you need pro for that.
Last couple Trex's I built adjustments weren't needed there anyway.
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05-05-2014 12:36 AM  6 years ago
Spencer K

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So they actually removed a basic feature like the ability to level the swash top and bottom?? Anyone else draw the same conclusions? Where's mr Mel when you need him ha
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05-05-2014 02:08 AM  6 years ago
BobOD

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You have to be making pretty fast and large pitch changes and be a pretty discerning pilot to notice what the control loop does not correct. So for most, this would not be a needed adjustment. The express seems to be for the bargain minded and those who do not want more setup steps. At least that's how I read it.Team POP Secret
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05-05-2014 02:19 AM  6 years ago
tyfast27

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Sweet!!!! I didn't even know there was a feature to do that! I'm going to plug in my Heli
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05-06-2014 04:07 PM  6 years ago
soulrider911

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I agree with bob, and from my experience if you get the servo horns close to 90 from the start, you most likely won't even need to adjust top and bottom leveling Why don't cats get gray hair with age?.....
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05-06-2014 07:14 PM  6 years ago
Clarence Creer

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Not sure if it is a pro feature only as all of my units have pro. But,in setup mode, go to the trim screen. Hit the hat and you will find this feature. It is not gone.Team Kontronik Team minicopter/PeakAircraft
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05-06-2014 11:03 PM  6 years ago
BobOD

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It's an advanced feature. Only available in the pro version.Team POP Secret
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05-08-2014 04:48 PM  6 years ago
Spencer K

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Boo on you mikado...
My 700e is still on v5.0 express, and the helicopter flies great. I cannot believe mikado would be so cheap to remove an essential feature for flybarless use, considering it was once included. Unacceptable.

I teach helicopter 3d training and only recommend vbar resulting in over 50 purchased units, no longer will that be the case. And yes, at my skill level I can absolutely notice the difference because the helicopter must first deviate BEFORE the vbar can detect and make the correction. Let's not drink the koolaid make excuses for a company with these bait and switch business practices (it's already the highest priced unit out there, and they want another $40?). Now I cannot update my firmware in fear of loosing essential features... Shame on you mikado.
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05-08-2014 05:46 PM  6 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Let me get this right, you are upset your Heli flies great?
The VBAR will compensate for any issues at the top and bottom of the travel as long as it is close. It will be good, just have a good mechanical setup.

And the VBAR is now where near the most expensive FBL unit out there. The Skookum 720 black as well as the BD own that distinction with the BD being $200 more.
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05-08-2014 06:17 PM  6 years ago
Gary H

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Ronald, some will even wine if hung with a new rope!

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05-08-2014 08:05 PM  6 years ago
Spencer K

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ronald and gary
I payed $325 for a vbar with that feature, and if I update it, I loose something I payed for. Bottom line.
If you don't see a problem with that ronald, I don't even know where to start with you. Also as a team pilot, you should know that the vbar can only correct for a deviation that had already occurred, which is inferior to a truly proper setup.
This is a chicken $hit move by mikado, and I'm going to let it be known. Every time team Mikado replies with their baseless defense, the thread goes right back to the top of the list...

What flavor is the koolaid, grape?
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05-08-2014 10:36 PM  6 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Spencer, the bottom line is you don't NEED that option to make the heli fly great. A new Silverline with Pro version software is $350 so I am unsure where you got that pricing from.
If you absolutely have to have that feature, and don't want to do it mechanically, then you will need the pro version. Otherwise center your seros, adjust your linkages to get the swash level, and let the VBAr do it's magic….that is does so well by your own admission.'
Yes I am a Team pilot, yes I am biased, but I am also a realist. I don't use that feature, I also pay the extra $40 to get the pro version as it comes with a HOST of extras you cannot add on for $40 externally.
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05-08-2014 10:48 PM  6 years ago
tyfast27

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My 700n is all mechanically correct and the swash is leveled at mid stick 50 in and 50 out but at full stick the swash pulls back and at low stick it pitches forward. Heli flies rock solid but that always has bothered me on the bench. I want to plug it in and level it at top and bottom as all now but following this forum is making me wonder if I have something else setup wrong????? Any advice?
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05-09-2014 12:31 AM  6 years ago
BobOD

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I agree you have to be a pretty good pilot to be able to notice the difference. And, the reality is that they didn't actually take the ability away. They offered a lower cost option for people who don't need/want the extra precision. If you do need/want it, you can get it but it costs more.
As for those still using V4, the recommendation from Mikado is to not upgrade it because you will lose functionality that you did pay for. I agree this kind of sucks but worse things happen. Eventually, most things have a hardware upgrade that leave you without any upgrade path. Of course that's at least justifiable by the new hardware but it's a similar thing.
Just a different way of looking at it, in case that helps you at all, Spencer.

Regarding the cost, I don't think it's quite fair to compare the cost of a simple flight stabilizer to the more advanced flight controllers. Comparing apples to apples, the vbar is pretty well in line with others. Well, the mini is anyway. For the full sized, there's not much to compare to as not many bother to make it that way anymore.
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05-09-2014 01:32 AM  6 years ago
Spencer K

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Bob you lost me when you said they did not take it away. If I upgrade my firmware, which most people would want to have access to the latest updates, then I loose the functionality. The feature is there now, and if I upgrade, then it disappears. What a disappointment...
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05-09-2014 01:52 AM  6 years ago
BobOD

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Yes, and I agree that kind of sucks. Just explaining why they did it.
Perhaps look at it this way, they are no longer supporting your model with updates. That sucks but is part of life. But, they do give you a way to upgrade it to an updatable model.

Like I said, just trying to give you another perspective. Hey, at least I'm not trying to pull the wool over your eyes by saying you don't need or want it. I don't like Kool-Aid.
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05-09-2014 12:17 PM  6 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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If you can "feel" it now that you know that adjustability is not there, then ok, you got duped. Otherwise your heli flies great (according to you), well that is until someone told you it didn't (the non Kool-Aid drinkers).Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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05-10-2014 04:10 PM  6 years ago
BobOD

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I don't see where anyone told him it didn't. Spencer said he could tell the difference. If you want to challenge your customer on that go ahead but don't go blaming others.
And, you can quit with all the snide remarks in all the other threads too. I'm just trying to help the OP understand here...without accusing him of anything.
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05-10-2014 05:22 PM  6 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Bob, he said he was setting up a VBAR and could not find the button, then he said his other heli with Express (does not have it either) flies great. I am not blaming him for anything, I am encouraging him to fly his heli and not worry about it as the VBAR will make it right. You on the other hand said he could tell the difference with that feature missing BUT in another thread you said a pro active gov and reactive gov are no different and that guy could not tell the difference.
No snide remarks, just trying to understand why when he said his 700 flies great on Express, but on this heli he needs that feature to make this heli fly great.
I understand he would be upset if he lost something he paid for, anyone should. SO to the OP, either don't upgrade so you can have that feature or set it up and fly. Either way, I promise you will have a great flying heli…..Ron
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