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04-25-2014 01:55 AM  6 years ago
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icanfly

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OK, So How Many Close Saves In One Day
can you count where you almost lost the heli yet wrested control and saved it from catastrophe?

I have this bad habit of mixing forward pitch on my right stick in a piro, I can feel why. After slowing a rotation I discovered, and only after taking my 300 around the backyard for a nice stretch in a weeks days, that I tried to piro cc with my 450/360mm blades stretch dfc heli (ohh so quiet and low rpm) immediately afterward. It should not have been a problem though it was very quickly that the heli was in a radical attitude with only some very spontaneous 3d type reactions to save it from getting eaten by the backyard apple tree 20ft away. Now we're talking 1 ft away from a garage wall piro toward the tree, pitch up, back, forward, and hover in free space. My my I really don't like the close calls but its from the same thing and has happened with all my backyard helis, why why Y-EE? This control freak mistake happened 3 times in one day last week.

Simple answer was that I was thinking right angle inputs with my fingers to my arm. This won't work because the tx has the sticks maybe only 1/4 of the distance between the elbows at rest and they move vertically within that space.. You actually have to pull the left stick back a bit as you input left rudder and move the stick forward to input right rudder. Your arm is at an angle to the stick rudder travel on the tx which forms a triangle as you move the sticks. This takes place on both sticks. My right stick movements to compensate for the heli natural leaning to the right became exaggerated with some forward pitch mixed in, until I forced myself to stop and re-examine things, ergonomics.

The sim time has been paying off, daily 20 minutes.

( I flew plank on the sim for an Hour on the weekend and tried to fly heli the next day. It seemed akward and my right stick inverted movements had to move back to the left stick, stunt plank)

After making a conscious correction with my fingers on the sticks I was able to fast piro without throwing in unwanted control inputs.

Over the while I've been on RR there has been talk of close calls leading to a repair or complete destruction. How about the miraculous saves where the heli and you are unscathed, but you'd never like to repeat the flight incident again?
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04-25-2014 03:36 AM  6 years ago
greenboot

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I don't "push" myself as much these days, so not as many close calls. I'll leave that to the younger crowd.
Looking back, I've certainly had my share. I remember my Freya falling out of control and in desperation, I gave full negative. It worked perfectly and the machine let out a blade fart, stopping a few inches above the grass.
Tom
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04-25-2014 02:17 PM  6 years ago
chris6414

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Yeah I flew my Hawk Sport well past when I should have replaced some pitch links and one let go while flying in high wind and I aimed for a 40 ft pine and she rolled down the branches to the bed of soft pine needles at the bottom. Under a $80 repair got her flying again. Nothing scarier than the feeling of no control on a helo.

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04-25-2014 02:48 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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every takeoff and landing is a near disaster for me. It's a miracle every time....

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04-25-2014 04:07 PM  6 years ago
Bipenut

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every takeoff and landing is a near disaster for me. It's a miracle every time....
Thats the same with me but it includes the whole flight as well ... still learning but getting better with every flight.... but still shaking when Im done.... Love it!!
Take off's are optional, Landings are mandatory!
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04-25-2014 04:14 PM  6 years ago
xcellgasman101

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every takeoff and landing is a near disaster for me. It's a miracle every time....
That ought to be on the list for good informational post!!
Dang it, now I have to clean the pop off my screen Again!!

Truly, a good one! XGM/VGM
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04-25-2014 05:37 PM  6 years ago
piranhafreak

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Depends on the heli the 130x takes a dirtnap everytime i fly it

The rest not so much i dont push them just do what i know and no crashes in a while but i always go out planning on it might be the last flight lol worst i had was a trex 500 full speed inverted into the ground was 100% toast
Mabey one day i will actually land one of these things !!
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04-25-2014 11:00 PM  6 years ago
icanfly

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unclejane, that's very funny, nice one especially after coming from another site where I got a warning for religious content, haha.

One of those near misses last week involved the same flight reaction but with a different heli and very nearly crossed over into a neighbors air space, and it would make me sick to cause any trouble over there as you know neighbors are not always friendly, quite the contrary in this case. My heart WAS pounding, sheesh.
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04-26-2014 11:01 PM  6 years ago
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Well, as greenboot says, I'm not as daring as my younger days - but, I have learned and practice inverted hover a lot, with various oh-no saves to my credit...

I wanted to describe my first very memorable save many years ago. I could hover (sort of), and just barely getting into trying to do forward flight back and forth - fig-8's. I was at a large softball field close to home, and doing OK. I was coming slowly across to my right when I just lost it. The beast started going faster away from me and I had no idea what to do to stop it. From some brief sim time, I knew that if I just slammed both sticks to the left (which I had never done before - only very slow forward flight for maybe 20 yards then turn around), well, there's a wire fence and light poles coming up quick, so I slammed the sticks. I FLEW AROUND the light pole in a nice banking turn (my first), stopped into a hover (somehow), landed OK, quit, went home, and changed my shorts. Funny thing is, if anybody saw me, they would have thought I was a hot-shot pilot who flies around poles on purpose
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04-27-2014 12:33 AM  6 years ago
Einzelganger

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Excellent story gcm2. I laughed out loud.

I haven't really had any saves to speak of. Some very unsteady piros at first I guess would have qualified.
I did my first "tic tocs" after a failed roll then flip. Aileron servo stripped in the middle of the flip and the bird went full left.... I gave full right......let the stick go neutral...it went full left....right again...neutral.....full left.....repeat..all the way to the ground....
I guess you could say I saved it several times on its way to a re-kit!

Wayne
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RIP Roman
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04-27-2014 12:46 AM  6 years ago
Retired2011

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I haven't really had any saves to speak of.
You're a much more accomplished pilot than I, Wayne.

I have saves every time I fly...it's just part of it for me

Kind of like snow skiing, they used to call me "clutchless"...
from the time I got off the lift, it was balls to the wall all the way down the slope.
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04-27-2014 12:53 AM  6 years ago
Einzelganger

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You're a much more accomplished pilot than I, Wayne.
I have saves every time I fly...it's just part of it for me
Kind of like snow skiing, they used to call me "clutchless"...
from the time I got off the lift, it was balls to the wall all the way down the slope.

I doubt that's true about our comparative piloting skills Chet.
Truth is I've had a few serious "Oh sh!t!" moments, but, they usually end in a rebuilding session.

Wayne
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RIP Roman
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04-27-2014 12:59 AM  6 years ago
Retired2011

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I doubt that's true about our comparative piloting skills Chet.
No, it's true...trust me.
Truth is I've had a few serious "Oh sh!t!" moments, but, they usually end in a rebuilding session.
OK, I get that
Plenty of rebuilding sessions for me too.
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04-27-2014 12:38 PM  6 years ago
icanfly

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Excellent story gcm2
+2

Well, yesturday I got my 300 working fine after a servo was cleaned, took it out back as usual practicing piros, backwards, funnels and 8s as well as tree, shrub, fence, and ground avoidance (I fly a foot off the ground in fff and steer around planter boxes. In one piro I gave too much left and just like gcm2 went into a very fast full left banked turn only inches from a metal plant retainer, rock wall, tree, and the earth as the 300 was merely a foot off the ground while careening through a 180deg arc covering 20ft in less than a second. A very quick pull back and right on the r stick with a collective pop and it leveled out. The blades of the 300 were fully 90deg to the ground while it raced around the arc, freaking amazing however completely un-intentional and another "OHH SHYT" moment. Their getting to be more fun each time . Can't wait to go inverted, .
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04-27-2014 12:54 PM  6 years ago
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This is what happens when your two hobbies are RC helis and gardening... I would fix this by getting rid of the planters Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot
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04-27-2014 01:44 PM  6 years ago
shawmcky

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I like to practice slow scale type precision flying with a much crashed HB King 3,if it comes to close saves, a slow left turn in front of me gets a dumb thumb on many occasions,don,t ask me why,do it blindfolded on a simI always practice with a "beater"lightweight heli,makes the big stuff seem so much easier!Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
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04-27-2014 07:21 PM  6 years ago
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getting rid of the planters
much trimming has been managed to provide more space for flying. Just a couple of hours ago I flew again and like always things got exciting for a moment. The line of arc around the entire backyard has been defined now, without hitting a tree standing within almost center of the space. My heli had to come down accidentally due to a dumb dodge and save however I thought some overhanging pines and or the top of an apple tree where heli squeeked through were going to cost me a gear. Actually squeezed through the 3ft space between them but let the ap tree catch it after letting off the throttle, (too much thinking) whew, saved some repair money that time. Grass landing, no damage, kept flying for the remaining battery.

This tight space flying is good training for 3d. Sometimes I graze the grass by an inch or two, I confess, the heli blades could make a decent lawnmower and shrub trimmer
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04-27-2014 08:01 PM  6 years ago
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Indeed: again great combination of your RC Heli and Gardening hobbies... Mow the lawn and trim the shrubs... and fly at the same time Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot
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