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04-23-2014 01:20 PM  6 years ago
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quazar1

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Hunters VS drones and our Hobby!
Last night this aired on our local evening news.

PA HB 2084
Click on the link.

http://www.pahomepage.com/video/d/v...tues-pm/5061672

We have a total of four clubs in our area, one club in the area of Williamsport, Pa in Lycoming county and two in Montour County and one in Clinton county. All 30 to 40 min apart.

Wings of Williamsport
Muncy Flyers
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Buzzard Field

If the hunters are near us they are on private property and in violation.

It is important to protect our main asset.. (our flying fields).

And follow our AMA safety rules and always respect others activities, flying fields are getting harder to find and keep.

Thanks

Tony Minnella
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Muncy Flyers
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04-23-2014 01:30 PM  6 years ago
quazar1

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HB 2084 link
Here is the link to the bill.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS...br=2084&pn=3135

Tony
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04-23-2014 02:08 PM  6 years ago
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04-23-2014 02:20 PM  6 years ago
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The amount of "grey area" between the lines in this bill is pretty scary, but the phrase "intentionally and knowingly.." gives a lot of wiggle room for "normal" flying activities.

We actually close our flying field for 2 weeks each year out of respect for the local hunters that share the adjoining properties.

Once the hunters realize they can use drones to push deer, I'm interested to see if cases of hunters vs. hunters pop up.


I was going to take up Origami, but someone said the local club folded.
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04-23-2014 03:10 PM  6 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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What about deer(/animal) spotting with drones? I wonder if existing hunting laws for planes would apply.
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04-23-2014 03:33 PM  6 years ago
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Definitely seems like the law is to protect hunters, fisherman and boater from the wacko PETA types. However, I am against creating laws of this nature. The problem stems for the broad interpretation that will be applied by those in government to use the law for other than what its was intended. I work with government entities all the time in obtaining permits for my clients. You would be absolutely amazed at how government can distort the meaning of laws and the codes that are promulgated therefrom.
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04-23-2014 03:41 PM  6 years ago
Bipenut

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The problem stems for the broad interpretation that will be applied by those in government to use the law for other than what its was intended.
Yes I agree with that completely, all it takes is someone with an agenda of one sort or another. I deal with several government agencies all the time with easements, land use, and adjacent land assets and you have to have your paperwork in order or you are going to get bulled over by who is in charge that month... sorry but it strikes a nerve in me.
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04-23-2014 05:44 PM  6 years ago
Mach.92

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"If the hunters are near us they are on private property and in violation"

Do you know hunters near you are in violation, if they have permission or it's their property they aren't. If they are hunting illegally then that is a seperate issue that should be dealt with. In Michigan it is illegal to harass anybody that is hunting legally so even though the last I knew the word drone is not in the law you would still be acting in an illegal manner by using one to harass hunters.

"And follow our AMA safety rules and always respect others activities, flying fields are getting harder to find and keep."

This is the only way to insure we keep our flying fields, if you are operating within the bounderies of your field I think it would be tough for anybody to say you were harrassing hunters. Anti hunter harassment laws have been in effect in Michigan for a long time and so far I have never heard of a field being closed due to hunter harrassment for many other reasons yes.

Our field is on county land that we lease and people hunt nearby and we have never had a single complaint from hunters. I have been hunting and flying all my life and don't wish to loose the privilege of enjoying either activity. The problem here is the nut cases that insist on breaking the law to interfere with people enjoying legal activities. I'm not a fan of goverment and more regulations however there has to be a way to deal with these type of people. The AMA should step in and fight the legalities of this bill in order to insure the language can't be used against people that are operating "Drones" in a legal manner.
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04-24-2014 01:14 AM  6 years ago
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quazar1, you then believe and or are certain your flyers will be adversely affected by a law where your fields abut hunting grounds, yes?

Buzzing animals to run them off is similar to alerting drivers or a criminal of the presence of authorities thereby preventing the authorities from doing their job, aka OBSTRUCTING.

It seems the peta people have gone past their original initiative to protect endangered species and the habitat of existing ones.

do you like peta now?

Esau was a hunter, from biblical ancient times, back then there were far fewer mouths to feed. Esau, red man, native Indian, like bow and arrow, hunter.
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04-24-2014 02:01 AM  6 years ago
quazar1

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Icanfly,
I was a hunter for many years, however I don't want to take sides on this one and can understand both parties concerns.
The problem is that law makers with the stroke of a pen can upset the apple cart in one direction or another without researching the balance needed for all parties. Our field sits on 310 acres of property and we lease a portion of that, so my statement that a hunter would be in violation means, they would be trespassing on private land and needs direct permission from the land owner to be there. I just made the post to inform pilots of laws that may have an effect on them. land owners may become less likely to lease land to clubs if they have to deal with laws that are made without the proper research. We all know how hard it is to find a good flying site. There is always two sides to the story. HB 2084 most likely would not have an impact on our club because of the amount of land we lease and we stay within our limits. It may have some impact on other clubs in Pa and becomes law in less than 60 days. The best way to keep what we have is to remain educated on the issues and share them with others. That is all I am doing is to inform others.

Thanks for your feedback.

Tony
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04-24-2014 11:41 AM  6 years ago
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Dumb lawyers passing near sited laws to regulate something they know nothing about is the story of our country.
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