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04-21-2014 07:15 PM  6 years ago
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They just keep going and going and...
From Dennis' parrot of things he's been corrected on already many times:
“We’re being manipulated. We’re being played by those people who want to divide, conquer, and control,” Carson said, alluding to the labels attached to those who disagree with their liberal counterparts.
Nobody is trying to manipulate the radical right. If you're falling for "manipulation", you're doing it to yourself.
“If you are pro-life, then you’re anti-woman.
That is correct. The "pro life" movement is anything but pro-woman - its true goals are wresting the personal autonomy of women away from them and putting that authority in the hands of wealthy/powerful Christian special interests using the power of the US government. That's as anti-woman as you can get.
If you’re pro-traditional marriage, then you’re homophobic.
Also correct. The radical right has never given a good reason for their opposition to same-sex marriage. In fact, the only reason they have ever offered is their own homophobia. So the shoe fits.
If you’re a white person and you say something against a progressive black person, you’re a racist,”
If you approach someone with a stereotype like "progressive black person", yes you are indeed displaying racism.
Carson noted that when it comes to religion in the public sphere, secular progressives “try to impose a code of silence upon those who believe differently than they do.”
Wrong. Quite the opposite - secular groups are fighting the radical right's efforts to "impose a code of silence upon those who believe differently than they do". That's why we're seeing all these tantrums being thrown by them about atheists and other secular groups finally speaking out against exclusive Christian privilege in our country.
He cited the role of the Founding Fathers in building America as “a very spiritual nation” despite the claims of those “who try to re-write history,” and spoke of his own faith throughout his life’s work in pediatric neurosurgery.
That the good doctor is himself one of the faithful has no bearing on the secular nature of the American government. No matter how many times Christians make the "Christian nation" claim about America, they are still wrong. The American system of government is and always has been secular. The founding fathers intentionally set it up as a secular system and it was that way from the beginning.
Read American history honestly to see why (I again recommend the Federalist Papers as the best source for why our system of govt. is the way it is).
Commenting on the split between science and religion on human biological development, Carson said, “It requires an enormous amount of faith to believe that something came from nothing.”
Only Christians make the claim that "something came from nothing"; that is itself a faith-based claim that they are responsible for substantiating if they care at all about it being a scientific claim.

Scientific conclusions about nature do not require any faith - only the Christian claims, like this silly thing above, require faith.

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04-21-2014 07:18 PM  6 years ago
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The radical right has never given a good reason for their opposition to same-sex marriage.
Yes they have given a "good" reason, because the bible says it is a sin. But they seem to forget that divorce is a big sin in the bible.
Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends
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04-21-2014 07:24 PM  6 years ago
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Yes they have given a "good" reason, because the bible says it is a sin. But they seem to forget that divorce is a big sin in the bible.
That's a lousy reason. A lot of books say a lot of things but we don't consider everything written down in a book to be good and reasonable. Christians only throw tantrums when their demands for special consideration of their particular book are denied. They've never given any good reason why their doctrines should be privileged above anyone else's.

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04-22-2014 03:18 AM  6 years ago
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This is a NO More Than a Un adulterated Un TRUTH --- THAT IS TRUTH !!
Please Look at Who Posted it :

Simple :
Take a simple Dollar Bill : The Uncle Sam Buck : The Dollar

PLEASE READ WHAT IS ON IT : AND YOUR COINAGE : Truth or Un -Truth
That the good doctor is himself one of the faithful has no bearing on the secular nature of the American government

No matter how many times Christians make the "Christian nation" claim about America, they are still wrong.

The American system of government is and always has been secular.

The founding fathers intentionally set it up as a secular system and it was that way from the beginning.

Read American history honestly to see why (I again recommend the Federalist Papers as the best source for why our system of govt. is the way it is).
This is WHY THOUSAND"S of AMERICAN"s : MEN and Women Sacrificed their SOUL"S and Treasure to Protect our Freedom and LIBERTY and went willing forward to do it for others. Into the Wilderness : THE REASON IS TRUTH

To march INTO the STORM's and Not RUN from them - Like the Immigrant's fleeing into the country to escape the THUNDER and FIRE within their very own NATIONS'

For those few of VALOR : That would like to OWN a bit of Written History of the MEN that Built this GREAT NATION of the UNITED STATES : A Sample of Written Selection's of the GREAT Pillar's - It is still in print. A VERY WORTHY READ - Just a Sample

THE SPIRIT OF AMERICA
Our Sacred Honor

Words of Advice from the Founders in Stories, Letter, Poem, and Speeches

Edited with Commentary By : William J. Bennett

ISBN 0 -684-84138-X

Manufactured in the United States of AMERICA

Know Your GLORY - THE KING OF GLORY - WHO Laid Down His Life so You Would be set Free : FREEDOM & LIBERTY : TRUTH JUSTICE MERCY GRACE AND FORGIVEN

Worthy is the King who Concurred the Grave and the Amazing Grace and the Un Failing LOVE :

We ARE a Judea /Christian Nation : A SOVEREIGN NATION
KNOW YOUR NATION : IT IS YOUR ROCK - YOU OWN IT
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04-22-2014 03:53 AM  6 years ago
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^^^^^UJ = lost in space.I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!
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04-22-2014 02:33 PM  6 years ago
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We ARE a Judea /Christian Nation : A SOVEREIGN NATION
KNOW YOUR NATION : IT IS YOUR ROCK - YOU OWN IT
Wrong. We are a nation of many faiths and many of no faith at all, not just your faith, with a secular government. Our veterans didn't just fight for only the freedom of Christians and no one else. They fought for the freedom of everyone here to be whomever they wanted to be and to believe whatever they wanted, or to believe nothing at all.

You need to read the actual documents our system of government is based on. Then you need to read the constitution itself. There you will see the hows and whys of our secular government - some of the founding fathers were Christians themselves, but they still understood why the new government had to be secular and disentangled from any religion or faith.

"God" does not appear in our constitution for a reason - it was not an accidental omission.

Learn American history. Not the silliness from your local idiot preacher, but from the actual sources.

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04-22-2014 02:48 PM  6 years ago
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^^^^^UJ = lost in space.
Then why are you the one that believes fantasies and lies?

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04-22-2014 02:48 PM  6 years ago
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You need to not only read them but own them:

Start with a Document called the Declaration of Independence :

Know the DATE and THE POSITION and the HISTORY of WHO DIED for IT

The Foundational Cornerstone of the NATION : THE ROCK

The Constitution or Growing list's of amendment's and changes can be Subverted or Modified or Defeated at any given time by the Whims of man.

Banker Box's full of paper will NOT allow man to be subjugated - But everyday their are legal challenges to tear it or destroy it.

EYE's Wide OPEN : a Paper Mill will Not stop this Rock and Roll

Citizen's are learning slowly what they are loosing

It IS : INDEPENDENCE or FREEDOM
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04-22-2014 02:56 PM  6 years ago
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You need to not only read them but own them:
Start with a Document called the Declaration of Independence :
The D of I is not our nation's binding legal document. The constitution is that document.
The Constitution or Growing list's of amendment's and changes can be Subverted or Modified or Defeated at any given time by the Whims of man.
That is exactly right. The constitution is our document, not your fantasy god's. We update and maintain it to ensure the freedoms of everyone here. Not just Christians - but everyone regardless of belief system.
Banker Box's full of paper will NOT allow man to be subjugated - But everyday their are legal challenges to tear it or destroy it.
Like Christians seeking exclusive legal privilege only for themselves; that is exactly right.

That's why the amendment process is setup the way it is - it's a very slow, deliberate and laborious process that has to be thought through very carefully.

Christians don't have a special lane that they can use to ram through their pet changes that benefit only themselves at the expense of others. You have never had that privilege legally. Christians have to stand in line like everyone else.
Tough for you, but that's how it is.

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04-22-2014 03:05 PM  6 years ago
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Wrong. We are a nation of many faiths and many of no faith at all, not just your faith, with a secular government. Our veterans didn't just fight for only the freedom of Christians and no one else. They fought for the freedom of everyone here to be whomever they wanted to be and to believe whatever they wanted, or to believe nothing at all.
Well said UJ. This simple fact is lost to a lot of people far too often.
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04-22-2014 03:08 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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Well said UJ. This simple fact is lost to a lot of people far too often.
Well mostly Christians. They've enjoyed a de-facto disproportionate favoritism for a long time because of a simple majority status - they've been able to force that privilege simply due to their numbers, despite the lack of an actual legal advantage.

They've eventually come to believe that they actually legally enjoy that privilege as a result. They illicitly revise history to suit them accordingly, often without realizing they're doing it.

But that's not the case and never has been.

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04-22-2014 03:14 PM  6 years ago
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Well mostly Christians. They've enjoyed a de-facto disproportionate favoritism for a long time because of a simple majority status - they've been able to force that privilege simply due to their numbers.
Agreed. 'Ole US of A was undeniably a Christian nation for a very long time. The advent of technology making long distance travel easier/faster/affordable and the information age bringing small, separate groups together to form a larger voice has opened the "flood gates", if you will. Christians are suddenly awash with "opponents".
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04-22-2014 03:19 PM  6 years ago
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Agreed. 'Ole US of A was undeniably a Christian nation for a very long time.
Actually, no, the US has never been a "Christian nation". That's only a myth perpetrated by Christians in an attempt to justify the accidental legal privileges they've enjoyed simply because of their numbers.

They're a majority religious group in the US, but that's all. In the eyes of the law, they're no different than the rest of us.
The advent of technology making long distance travel easier/faster/affordable and the information age bringing small, separate groups together to form a larger voice has opened the "flood gates", if you will. Christians are suddenly awash with "opponents".
Yeah, but they're always awash with opponents. They've whined and whined about oppression since Roman times and they've never stopped. Even now with their virtual stranglehold on the US government, they're still whining absolutely non-stop about being oppressed: atheists, muslims, the gay community, the African American community, crack mothers, you name it and they're oppressing the poor downtrodden Christians.

As you can hear, the violins are playing for them right now...

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04-22-2014 03:26 PM  6 years ago
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One more Time JAne : You NEVER answer a question

Of a population of aprox: 330 Million how many are Christian's

Of THOSE remaining : How will their behavior effect the Nation

When they learn their Civil Liberties, Freedom / Independence the process of Democracy are Removed, for the replacement of Socialism or Communism to support the Others collectively

SO PLEASE SELL IT : as Very hard as you can

Why do you think OBAMA and Minion's are Flailing / Spinning Out and the Globe is also.

Stay on top of the Body Count's The Cultural Split


Not OUR JOB, Not OUR Problem, Sorry Charlie
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04-22-2014 03:31 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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One more Time JAne : You NEVER answer a question
I've gone over this exact point many times now. I'll repeat it for you here, for your convenience.
Of a population of aprox: 330 Million how many are Christian's
Of THOSE remaining : How will their behavior effect the Nation
Irrelevant, as I've told you many times. Our legal system doesn't only favor the majority. It favors no one. Every group has equal status in the eyes of our laws.

That's how it was designed from the beginning and that's how it is now.

I know that's not what Christians want, but that's the fact of the matter. Sorry.
When they learn their Civil Liberties, Freedom / Independence the process of Democracy are Removed, for the replacement of Socialism or Communism to support the Others collectively
Please reproduce here the elements of Communism and Socialism that are replacing our democratic/republican processes. Please be detailed in your citations, in particular how they are Communist or Socialist.

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04-22-2014 03:46 PM  6 years ago
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Since you will NOT do your Home work but look for the Exit I'll give you a bit of Help on SIN.

Statistically:

Of 330 Million : { Libral } Estimates of Christianity maybe

30 Million ?

It's a pretty dynamic argument especially among the conservatives

Of the remaining 300 MILLION

They are a population of Tribal Hedonistic Meat Eating Ginned Up ^ Cannibal's whom just absolutely LOVE with FETISH their GUN's Makes Crak and Sex look TIMID

Any thing that makes Noise and Fire they LOVE IT They Sing and Dance with them and Beat Drum's too !!

They are starting to smell Cage's, Chain's , Yoke's, and Bar's and the control or LOSS of Freedom and Liberty. Never had Lives with out it

Hint: Don't go into the CAMP But their sure is a whole alot of them

They LOVE GUN's for Defensive Purposes Only { THEY LIE }
" Bunch of Sinner's "

Called the United State's

Kinda tough to be inside the Camp
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04-22-2014 03:52 PM  6 years ago
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I agree.Steve
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04-22-2014 03:56 PM  6 years ago
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Since you will NOT do your Home work but look for the Exit I'll give you a bit of Help on SIN.
You are the one who has not done his homework. "SIN" does not describe a law of our land. The bible is not the ruling document of our country - the constitution is that document. There is no reference to "SIN" or any religious doctrine in our constitution. No US citizen is legally bound by anything called "SIN".

We need no help on "SIN"; it is an irrelevant legal concept in America.
Statistically:
Of 330 Million : { Libral } Estimates of Christianity maybe
30 Million ?
It's a pretty dynamic argument especially among the conservatives
It's a worthless, fallacious argument - it is merely an instance of the Argument from Popularity, a well-known fallacy.

Look it up. And do your other reading.

I'm also still waiting for your citations of Communist and Socialist elements that are supposedly replacing our democratic and republican political and legal processes. Reproduce them here please.

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04-22-2014 04:16 PM  6 years ago
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You think smacking a Dog with the rolled up New's Paper is going to stop him ??

You need to Under stand our Countries LOVE for FREEDOM and Independence / LIBERTY & JUSTICE & TRUTH

IT's OUR's - Sovereignty : Why we die for a GODLY LIFE: The Blessing's

It's absolutely coveted by MAN and His LOVE for GOD -
IT's IS : What it is ABOUT: what set's OUR NATION APART form ANY OTHER : THE SAINT"S GO MArching IN

You smack him with that daily NEw's a Paper - HE will Shoot you

FIX IT

Then take it Go set on the POT and have his morning Constitutional Event. Read it and see the new changes to cover it all up.

It's almost Soup : Ask OBAMA
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04-22-2014 04:27 PM  6 years ago
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You need to Under stand our Countries LOVE for FREEDOM and Independence / LIBERTY & JUSTICE & TRUTH
It seems that only I understand that these freedoms apply to everyone and not just persons of your particular faith.
IT's OUR's - Sovereignty : Why we die for a GODLY LIFE:
Only you might die for a "GODLY LIFE". Not everyone else does that nor are they required to.
The Blessing's
It's absolutely coveted by MAN and His LOVE for GOD -
IT's IS : What it is ABOUT: what set's OUR NATION APART form ANY OTHER : THE SAINT"S GO MArching IN
Er, no. What sets our nation apart from any other is that no one is legally required to profess "His LOVE for GOD". You seem to think that everyone else believes the way you do and/or they should have to believe the way you do.

Wrong.

3rd time:
I'm also still waiting for your citations of Communist and Socialist elements that are supposedly replacing our democratic and republican political and legal processes. Reproduce them here please.

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