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04-23-2014 03:05 PM  6 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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RM3...
I can see your mind is made up...
You have a place to fly, so carry on.
Good flying to you.
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04-23-2014 04:21 PM  6 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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If YOU were at this club, you would notice that the club is in ruin because of the geezer bench.
Heli guys at the club generally get the cold shoulder, we get told we have to yeild to the planks when at the field and get shoved to the corner which is about 25 yards by 75 yards in size....yet our air space is not respected, a day does not go by (when I have actually been there) that a plank does not buzz over, under or between my heli and me. WE constantly get told not to fly over the pits or parking or pavillion area...yet planks do it all the time and even crash into those areas. Why is it that we new guys have to show friendship first...it should be the other way around.
This seems to be the case at pretty much every AMA club.
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04-23-2014 04:55 PM  6 years ago
RM3

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its a strange situation here in Cent Tex...the Army Corps of Eng owns most of the open land suitable for RC aircraft...Its my understanding that a smaller group of RC fliers tried to ask about land for "another"...club, but were basically told that land had already been set aside for the existing club therefore there was no "need" for another new club with a new field...I suppose saying that the other club/field sucks was not a good enough reason.

there are other clubs in the distant surrounding area but are no less than an hour or more away...so not worth the drive for most.

Sad really when we have so many young soldiers as well as retired military around here throwing money away on booze, boobs and speeding tickets.

well the same could be said about thowing money away on my "toys" too...

I wonder how many heli fliers out of all are not part of any club and actually fly more on open fields rather than designated club areas...legal or otherwise?
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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04-23-2014 05:18 PM  6 years ago
earlwb

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I think that sometimes the larger helicopters doing a full aerobatic repertoire can intimidate and even scare some folks. Some of the guys flying the big ones pretty much use up our entire flying area to do all of the maneuvers. Thus only one or two guys can fly at the same time. But the airplane flyers can get several people up and flying all at the same time. So it tends to bother the airplane folks more. I think it is the flying styles being so different to some extent. Where the heli's tend to go up and down, and all over, while many airplane guys just follow the clockwise or counter-clockwise flying pattern.

Our club had problems for a while but we have worked together to iron out the differences and share the club flying field. We do still have some older fellows who won't fly or come out if they see any heli's at the field though. They still tend to complain though. But even if no heli's were there, they don't fly anyway, that I have noticed. Anyway we are getting along with the heli's and planes at our club field.
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04-23-2014 05:29 PM  6 years ago
HeimD

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I wonder how many heli fliers out of all are not part of any club and actually fly more on open fields rather than designated club areas...legal or otherwise?
That's what the heli guys do around here, myself included. We fly in a huge undeveloped neighborhood where they just scraped the earth clean and put in the paved streets. Zero construction started. No clue if it's "legal", but cops drive by every now and then and just wave. Sometimes they stop and watch for a few minutes. Never a bad word. The way I see it is I'm flying off of public streets, I live in town and I pay property tax along with all the other local taxes. It's "my property" just as much as anyone else in town who pays those same local taxes. That thinking may or may not work if I'm ever challenged, but that's the card I'm going to play.

Also, all club politics aside, helis and planks just simply do NOT mix well in the pattern. That will never change and it's the same way with full scale rotary/fixed wing mixed ops. If a helicopter wants to do pattern type work at a busy airfield, they are assigned to an off duty runway, taxiway or infield grass area away from the main fixed wing pattern on the active duty runway.
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04-24-2014 02:35 AM  6 years ago
1helimech

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All I can say is I took My Synergy N7 to a club meeting for model of the month and MY N7 was overlooked and a Foam plank won the model of the month ...I just LOL at the plankers..now I fly Helis just to get in there way ....NOT, but it's fun to think that .....I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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04-24-2014 07:24 AM  6 years ago
Volcano

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I have a public field at a county forest preserve less than 5 miles from my house. But I dont fly there because the plankers are real buttholes.
I drive an extra 20 minutes and there the plankers accept us, and they have dumb rules but I dont mind them because they actually work in my favor.

If I dont feel like driving then theres a big field behind the grocery store.

The "safety officer" at the field I like told me in one sentence that he flys right next to ohare airport in desplaines Il- Illegaly And then got on my case for parking in the unloading zone?
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04-24-2014 08:03 AM  6 years ago
RM3

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try this on for stupid...

we have a rule that says there is absolutely no fueling under the pavillion....BUT we have an Open pit BarBQ grill damn near under it...
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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04-24-2014 10:07 AM  6 years ago
WBFAir

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Yes, it is secondary insurance, meaning that if you have an insurer already (homeowner's liability, for example), that insurer would be the primary insurer.
Is hardly my area of expertise, but why would your Homeowners Liability Insurance cover something that you do by accident "outside" of your house or property?
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04-24-2014 12:14 PM  6 years ago
rcnut

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If YOU were at this club, you would notice that the club is in ruin because of the geezer bench.
Heli guys at the club generally get the cold shoulder, we get told we have to yeild to the planks when at the field and get shoved to the corner which is about 25 yards by 75 yards in size....yet our air space is not respected, a day does not go by (when I have actually been there) that a plank does not buzz over, under or between my heli and me. WE constantly get told not to fly over the pits or parking or pavillion area...yet planks do it all the time and even crash into those areas. Why is it that we new guys have to show friendship first...it should be the other way around.
This seems to be the case at pretty much every AMA club.
We don't have a "geezer bench" its more like a 40%+ bench. The big plankers came in several years ago and have been trying to take over ever sinse!
I wonder how many heli fliers out of all are not part of any club and actually fly more on open fields rather than designated club areas...legal or otherwise?
I am one that flys both open fields and a club field...mainly open field. Our club doesn't like heli's and have tried to band all heli's from field, that vote didn't pass. I've never been a big fan of clubs due to all the arguing and fighting during meetings...my plane is bigger than yours...mine cost more...I know more...you have to earn the right for me to tell/teach you how to do this...etc.

Too many egos get in the way, too many people want things to run "their" way (power trip people), too many people have to be the center of the universe...too many rules for everyone one else except...

I am sure there are some wonderful clubs out there that actually care dispite what type of aircraft you fly, and they take an interest in you! But not where I live! Us heli pilots get shoved down to the South end of the runway (we have two runways...N&S, W&E. An "L" type runway), which is ok by me, we have the sun advantage after noon time! However, the plankers think they can do what ever they want! I get flown over, buzzed, and chased...it times. I like it when they fly as close as they can, trying to make me mess up! It scares the crap out of them when I chase them out...drop the nose 80 degrees down and add full collective pitch! I out run them sometimes! I chase them for a couple of minutes just to keep them in "check"! Normally I hear a "sorry about that" from the pilot doing the "buzzing".

This doesn't happen a lot, but one in the pack trys to show off a bit in front of his buddys and decides to mess with me. I shrug it off for several attempts...until they get to that extra little too close comfort. A couple of feet from my heli or buzz knife edge right in front of my face! Several feet in front of me! Then its game on! I play follow the leader, do whatever maneuver they do, and stay 10 feet on their tail the whole time!

The sad part to all of this...they are adults! Acting immaturely, like little kids! They don't want to play nice unless you "suck up" to them, and you have to play by their rules in order to be accepted.

SCREW THAT!!!

That's why I fly somewhere else. I occasionally fly at the club field.

Sorry for the rant!
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04-24-2014 12:31 PM  6 years ago
1helimech

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Rock on RCNUT rock on brother I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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04-24-2014 04:15 PM  6 years ago
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04-24-2014 04:57 PM  6 years ago
dkshema

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but why would your Homeowners Liability Insurance cover something that you do by accident "outside" of your house or property?
Because most Homeowner's policies include Personal Liability coverage, which covers you for accidents on your property, but usually, also for accidents for which you may be liable AWAY from your property.

Now how many have a Homeowner's Policy with Personal Liability coverage in the amount of 2.5 Million dollars?

How many of you are certain, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that your Homeowner's Personal Liability coverage WILL cover you in the case of a model aircraft-related accident?

How many have Homeowners with some maximum amount, and an additional Umbrella Policy which total $2.5 million dollars?

And if you DO, how many are certain, beyond the shadow of a doubt, know for certain their modeling activities will be covered by those policies?

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And just how bad is it to HAVE a secondary source of liability insurance, with a 2.5 million dollar policy, specifically designed and purchased TO cover you in your modeling-related activity, requiring you only to abide by some simple, common sense, easy to follow, published safety code?
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04-24-2014 05:13 PM  6 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Have you ever noticed how the heli crowd can fly at a given field without too much problem by each pilot taking turns. One guy flies while the others watch, and then the next guy flies. Maybe two people fly side-by side if there are two separate pads. But the plankers will do touch and goes all day long on the same runway with several people in the air at the same time occupying the same patters. It seems to be the same way at every field. Plankers doing touch and goes simultaneously, and the helicopter guys in a separate location taking turns flying. I think there is some natural law of nature which governs this behavior, and so the two types of aircraft cannot peacefully coexist in the same airspace. At some AMA fields, modifications have been made in recent years to put in helicopter pads, but the helicopter pads are either 3/4 mile away from the parking lot, or they are placed into a corner with plankers doing touch-and-goes overhead. There is no resolution for this other than for helicopters and plankers to have separate clubs. It's nobody's fault. I think it's just a fact of nature.Avant RC
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04-24-2014 05:55 PM  6 years ago
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When I was early on in this hobby, there were lots of open fields I could walk to (didn't have a car at 15) Ive experienced most of the same. flew planes at an open field, got into helis, still flew at the open field. Then around the mid 80s, helicopters started being a reality. Some of the older guys at the field must have felt threatened I assume. I like most of us was very careful about asking before I flew, (like we needed permission to fly) I wouldn't go up if the plane guy was nervous being in the sky at the same time.

Then the board made a decision to ban heli's out right. (yea the club did not vote, it was rule by the board I think) they back to an open field offered by a fellow online and nearby. That was a great field. Met and flew with a small group of about 6 people.
After about 14 months I stopped by the old club field and spoke to the new president, who informed me Helis were allowed and he waved the late fee.

I have a couple open fields I can fly at nearby home and work. The electrics have enabled me to utilize these where almost no one is even aware Ive been there. (its not a regular place I fly, just once in a while. I prefer to fly at the club field as its really a great setup. Now our club is evenly split between the plane guys and heli guys. (Im talking about the 10-15% that actually fly regularly. Most of the old timers have left the hobby, or resigned to the fact we have the same rights, and were not bad people.

And now I guess Im becoming one of the older guys not quite 60 yet. The open field is good, but the club field offers me the ability to share in the hobby, both planes and helicopters. During the times I have flown with others, I have been pushed to increase my skills. Learning new stuff is much easier in a group than alone. And I should say, safer in a crowd then alone as well. I always take the extra space and time when flying alone anywhere.

and yea, I have noticed heli pilots tend to wait on each other and take turns.
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04-24-2014 06:06 PM  6 years ago
whoamis

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I think the law of nature is that helis can't share airspace with anything, including other helis. So helis take turns. Planes flying the pattern can coexist.

This is why there are fundamental conflicts. It's more this than prejudice / attitudes.

I think there's lots of data showing there are morons, and good folks, on both sides of the divide.
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04-24-2014 06:13 PM  6 years ago
Ladymagic

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Have you ever noticed how the heli crowd can fly at a given field without too much problem by each pilot taking turns
I've seen this alot in the past. I'm not really sure why that is, but it seems to be more of an unspoken respect heli pilots have for the airspace. I've never had a problem fighting for airspace when I fly with heli pilots.

But, I've dealt with some very shifty airplane guys who fly all in my space even when I'm off in a corner minding my own business. I don't know why they find it funny to do that. If something where to happen because if it, and I lose control of my heli and I hurt someone or damage property they'd have nothing but contempt for me and probably ban me from ever flying at their field again.

I'm not cocky or rude to anyone no matter what they fly, yet when I pull up and bring out the helis, I seem to immediately get the stink-eye even though I have airplanes too. I'll hear the chuckles, smart ass comments, and the murmmuring and I'll just try and brush it off and ignore them. I always thought we were a friendly group no matter what you fly but I guess not. The guys that do talk to me always say how dangerous helis are (which is sort of true) but, any airplane, especially the big 40% ones are just as dangerous in the hands of an idiot pilot.

Maybe it's jealousy. Most heli pilots could pick up a radio on an airplane and fly it, but a airplane pilot couldn't pick up a heli radio and even hover.

I find that 9 times out of 10, I would rather fly at a open location and leave the AMA field to the airplane guys so I can fly in peace.
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04-24-2014 06:30 PM  6 years ago
unclejane

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I find that 9 times out of 10, I would rather fly at a open location and leave the AMA field to the airplane guys so I can fly in peace.
I'm a 100% FPV pilot nowadays so I'm the fringe of the fringe now - I haven't actually flown at my local field with other folks there since I made the switch about a year ago.

I either have gone out when the field is deserted or have gone and flown somewhere else in a public area devoid of other people for whom I could present a hazard.

I'm probably going to continue to do that, since FPV, especially with a helicopter, is just plain weird to a lot of folks and they kind of don't really know what to do with it.

I'm a planker in full scale, so I see the airplane/heli issue from that standpoint. But in FS the rules for helis and planks around an airport are pretty well defined so conflict there is generally pretty rare. Except for student pilots who are easily perturbed by the unexpected, perhaps.

I do get very nervous when a heli is hovering or hover taxiing near the landing end of a runway I'm landing on tho LOL. But even then I just land long and taxi back....

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04-24-2014 06:49 PM  6 years ago
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Amen brothers & sister!

15 years ago (for me), it wasn't that way! The guys at the field knew I flew heli's and were ok with it. I had earned their trust while flying my heli. And there were some that would fly right along side of me! This made those that wanted to complain rethink heli's and planes can coexist.

Then the club that flew there decided to take over the field...with the Park District's permission. And the rules started in, which wasn't too bad. But then the 40%+ plankers moved in and chased half of the regulars away.

Back then it was fun to go to the field. I was helpful to newer pilots...setting up their planes or heli's, tuning motors, programming radios, test flying, helping landing planes in trouble or gone too far out, etc. There were times I brought my stuff to fly and never pulled them out to fly. I was so busy helping and flying others, that I had no time for my stuff...and I was great with that! Someone else was able to fly and have fun verses me doing my own thing and minding my own business. Watch someone else struggle...I couldn't do that, it not in my nature.

It got to the point, most of the plane pilots would ask me to "wring out" their aircraft. Show them what it could and couldn't do, and explain why. My flying skills became really good at this point. I started teaching them all the maneuver that I had learned and we were becoming a big family.

Isn't "that" one of the points of this hobby? Friendship? Learning together? Having fun together? Helping one another?

It used to be this way...
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04-24-2014 07:56 PM  6 years ago
earlwb

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I am working my way up to flying the bigger and more heavy heli's. At our field if there is some wind (or more windy), few people if any show up to fly, so you can have it pretty much to yourself then. The larger Flybarless heli's seem to not be affected by the wind much at all.
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