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04-12-2014 02:58 AM  4 years agoPost 1
BradNewman

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Time to get a new charger, but I can't decide which one. Would love to get some input from people that have had either one or both.
The majority of my charging will be parallel charging 5000mah 6s packs.
What do y'all think?

Remember to keep everything balanced!

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04-12-2014 03:14 AM  4 years agoPost 2
rocket_33

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Just got the Dual Powerlab. Upgrading from my Hyperion Duo3. Don't have enough time to really give a review.

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04-12-2014 03:24 AM  4 years agoPost 3
WessCo

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The Powerlab 8 x2 is like having two chargers....So you can potentially charge each side at 40 amps. Not so with the iCharger 4010Duo.

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04-12-2014 03:36 AM  4 years agoPost 4
raholek

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icharger
I have 2....one PRC in case and one for desktop with a CYE power supply.

Love them both. I think they could charge the Hoover Dam.

No issues and just over a year on them.

*** I regularly charge my spyders in parallel on 2 channels at just under 40 amps per side. 4 sets of 5300mah in ~20 mins.

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04-12-2014 03:40 AM  4 years agoPost 5
BradNewman

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Thanks guys!
Keep em coming!

Remember to keep everything balanced!

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04-12-2014 03:44 AM  4 years agoPost 6
BradNewman

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The Powerlab 8 x2 is like having two chargers....So you can potentially charge each side at 40 amps. Not so with the iCharger 4010Duo.
Are you sure about that? The way I understand it, is the 4010 is also like 2 chargers in 1, and you CAN put out 40amps on both sides.

Remember to keep everything balanced!

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04-12-2014 03:48 AM  4 years agoPost 7
Rsams

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The Powerlab 8 x2 is like having two chargers....So you can potentially charge each side at 40 amps. Not so with the iCharger 4010Duo.
I am not sure what you were reading and maybe I understand the wording wrong on the Icharger 4010 but it looks to me like it will go 40 amps per side also. I don't know much about the powerlab 8 but I have 2 4010 duos and they are a nice charger and will put out the power. From what I read on the powerlab it only goes to 8s where the icharger goes to 10s per side. The powerlab is about $120 less than the icharger. One thing I see that I like better about the icharger is that each side has its own screen and can be read at the same time. Looks like the powerlab you would have to make sure you are on the right battery that you want to read on. I hate scrolling through more pages than I need to. Just my preference

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04-12-2014 03:54 AM  4 years agoPost 8
WessCo

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Maybe I'm wrong...I've been wrong more than once! I'm an iCharger fan too.

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04-12-2014 04:17 AM  4 years agoPost 9
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I've been using my DPL8 since early December and it's been working great. I used two PL8s prior to the DPL8 since they first came out and never had a problem with either of them.

  

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04-12-2014 07:10 AM  4 years agoPost 10
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That's a tough decision between the FMA Dual PL8 and iCharger 4010. Both are great chargers with output power that exceeds what you can get from a typical wall socket and a DC power supply. Considering a 20A circuit is supposed to have a maximum connected load of 16A, your charging will max out around 2000W (16A x 125V = 2000W) unless you install a 30A circuit or use a powerful generator and DC power supply. The iCharger's small advantage in power output is likely not a determining factor, since power output of both exceed what most household circuits can provide and most batteries can handle.

The features you like of each need to be considered. Also of importance is where you plan to use the charger. The iCharger is considerably smaller, so it may be easier to transport.

I like the iCharger's 130W (200W in synch mode) of discharge capacity compared to 90W for the FMA. However, the FMA has super flexible and easy to use programing. You can set your charge rate, peak voltage, CV taper, balancing accuracy, etc. exactly how you want. I think the ability to synchronize the two outputs on the iCharger for added capacity plus the smaller footprint would make me choose it over the FMA by a slight margin. You will likely be happy with either one though.

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04-12-2014 09:00 AM  4 years agoPost 11
altima1779

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It only should take around 1,000 watts to charge 6s packs @ 40amps.

40a*25v = 1000 watts

1000w/115v = 8.7 amps pulling at the outlet.

I think the bigger issue is you need a 48v power supply to max out the chargers.

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04-12-2014 10:47 AM  4 years agoPost 12
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That's a tough decision between the FMA Dual PL8 and iCharger 4010. Both are great chargers with output power that exceeds what you can get from a typical wall socket and a DC power supply. Considering a 20A circuit is supposed to have a maximum connected load of 16A, your charging will max out around 2000W (16A x 125V = 2000W) unless you install a 30A circuit or use a powerful generator and DC power supply. The iCharger's small advantage in power output is likely not a determining factor, since power output of both exceed what most household circuits can provide and most batteries can handle.
On the DPL8, unlike the iCharger, each channel on the charger is powered independently. This makes it easier to get to maximum power as you can use a separate power supply for each channel and then you just need to ensure each power supply is using a different electrical circuit.

All the power supplies I've seen seem to max out around ~1500W out from a typical 20A circuit. Even the Mean Well RSP-2000-48 needs to be derated for use on 120V AC.

Another option instead of a 30A circuit is to power your chargers from 240V AC.

  

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04-12-2014 12:41 PM  4 years agoPost 13
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A big part of the choice for me was the power input issue.
As someone else said the DPL8 really is two chargers in one box, two separate inputs, the icharger has one input that it sends to each side as needed.

To max out the charger on 6S, you only need ~30v input. I'm running mine on 36v from 3 DPS 1200 FB server supplies powered from 2 dedicated 20 amp 120v circuits at home. I have a 4th supply to add, for 48v input, if I ever decide to go for 7S or 8S batteries.

Also the PC interface for the DPL8 is GREAT.

Actually, they are almost identical in size...the DPL8 about 2 inches wider, not a big difference to me.

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04-12-2014 01:32 PM  4 years agoPost 14
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I had the same question. I was set on an all in one case from progressive. I went with the icharger because it looked neater in case, color screen, the ability to charge at 70AMPS when in dual mode. I have been very happy with it. The charger does 4 6s 5000 packs on one side at 40 amps and 2 on the other at 20 amps without breaking a sweat. I also really like the meanwell 48. The amount of power in relation to the size is crazy. I have only used a Powerlab once it was nice too. Good luck.

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04-12-2014 02:01 PM  4 years agoPost 15
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I have mine in one case with two 48 volt Meanwell Power Supplies. My only thing at the moment is I have to get my head around the programming software for the charger.

Timing is perfect though as my Meanwell Power Supply I am using with my Hyperion Duo 3 has gone into Hiccup Mode. I spent yesterday trying to find a repair center for it with no luck. I was told to contact where I purchased it from and told them when I called it was no longer under warranty, but they have to check this, that, and the other and I still don't know where to get it repaired.

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04-12-2014 03:02 PM  4 years agoPost 16
bjacks

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4010
I might be wrong but the PL8 a 1343 watt charger and the 4010 a 2000 watt charger so how does the PL8 out charge the 4010. Bobby

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04-12-2014 03:50 PM  4 years agoPost 17
Tyler

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With the proper input to the iCharger it happily charges at 40 amps per channel.

I own two iCharger 4010 duos. They are lighter and offer a much smaller footprint than the DPL8. Also, the screens are more easily navigated and display most useful data with no navigation. The servo driver and tester is handy.

The PL8 units are rock solid, no complaints on them at all. Just some differences. I will never bash an FMA.

The real question I would attack on this decision between brands is YOUR power input capabilities. I don't see the importance of supplying each charger port with its own power supply. Just feed enough current to the iCharger and it will be happy.

For me, I found it difficult to swallow the high priced mean well power supply pill. I looked into server power supplies, and there are many ways to skin that cat. You can buy a single large supply or several small ones and use them in series. I believe I was a pioneer in running iChargers with three smaller power supplies at 37.5v. This was fine for a 3010b (or two), but this is not enough power for a a 4010duo.

The 4010 duo can really crank out the power, but you must be able to feed it. Today's lipo batteries can handle the high charge rates. I have some three year old 10S packs that get charged at 3c-5c all the time and they are holding up great (Hobby People Batteries are a great secret sauce). Even charging 10-12 smaller packs in series at full charger output has revolutionized my flying hobby.

Ask yourself this:

Can I access a 220v outlet for my charging?
What generator will I be using for remote locations?
Is weight critical for a portable unit?
Can I set up stationary and portable power supply system?
Do I have access to deep cycle batteries, like a golf cart?
What is my budget? server supplies or mean well budget?

Some more thoughts from my experiences:

I charge at home with 220v and a 3000 watt server power supply at 50.1v. This supply was dirt cheap and hands down the easiest conversion to hobby use I have ever seen. If you can solder two pins together or use a servo plug instead of solder, the pin out is done. Next, if you can install a 220v power cord the project is over. For under $50 this is true unlimited and unstressed power in every way.

For a portable charging station I have two options I use.

#1 I use my 48v golf cart to supply power, straight DC. I use #4 gauge wire to a car audio fuse block with fuses. All the power I need. Great for IRCHA and flying just down the street with no fuss no muss.

#2 I use three small server power supplies that deliver about 1,800 watts of power when driven by my Honda EU2000i generator. The generator is 1,600 watts of continuous output and I don't want to stress my $1k investment. I use this for fun flies and local flying sites that are too far for the golf cart ride. These little power supply gems are tiny and light. They are well under 10 pounds total, maybe even under 7 pounds. I can still charge one channel at 40 amps or two channels at 22 amps simultaneously.

Hope this helps.

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04-12-2014 04:22 PM  4 years agoPost 18
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04-12-2014 04:27 PM  4 years agoPost 19
BradNewman

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Thanks again guys! I have gone back and forth so many times between these two chargers. I do have access to 240v in my hobby room, so I will be using 4 of the 12v 900watt Power supplies. As of this moment I'm leaning toward the DPL8, but I'm still not 100%.....

Remember to keep everything balanced!

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04-12-2014 05:28 PM  4 years agoPost 20
Ace Dude

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I have easy access to a 120V/30A circuit since my central vacuum plugs into one (standard NEMA 30A connector) and I could easily run 240V to my hobby room as the panel box is only a short distance away. However, since my only option for field charging is a single Honda EU2000i I'm going to stick with a single 1500W 48V power supply for now and see how it goes. I plan to do most/all my charging at the field anyway. In the event I need to do higher power charging at home I'll add another 1500W 48V power supply and run them in parallel.

Unfortunately, my field does not have AC and using two EU2000i generators doesn't seem very practical for me.

  

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