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03-14-2014 08:09 PM  6 years ago
Trexwilly

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Being able to see them, and the fact that most stuff happens a little slower can't hurt...
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03-14-2014 08:11 PM  6 years ago
waheed1998

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Disk space is what you pay for when buying a larger heli.The larger the blades the larger wind tunnel the heli the heli sit's on.Plus as stated above. It's all in the setup.A 450 can never be as stable as a 700, but a 700 can be as agile as 450.Again disk space created buy blades size.anthony jackson
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03-14-2014 08:15 PM  6 years ago
hemp

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Cost high, less fly.
I suppose it shouldn't surprise me that my perspective differs so much from that of the majority. All I can say is that for me, this is not the case. I almost always fly my nicest (read: most expensive) helis more than my lesser ones because I like them better. The crash costs were no less bothersome for me on a 450 than they are on the 700; the amount of money is different, but the principle (throwing money away) is the same.

Also I personally had no trouble learning on a small heli so I really don't understand the notion that it's easier to learn with a bigger one. I think we all are wired to believe that the way we learned is the easiest way to learn, because it worked for us. Back to what turboomni wrote, there's no reason a 450 has to be twitchy and hard to control, or even fast. Reduce the throttle, dial in expo, limit endpoints, etc, it will fly far more docile than my 700 does - that thing will give you whiplash trying to follow it if turned up to 11.

I learned on an MCPX and sim. It was a perfectly good orientation trainer. Too small if you have poor vision, for sure, but with average to good vision it's totally fine. And talk about not worrying about crash costs, that was and remains the only helicopter I ever didn't mind crashing.

After I worked into doing simple flips and FFF on the MCPX I moved up to a 450 at a friend's prompting. That was several months and less than $300 in for me altogether. That friend was told by an 'expert' (hobby shop owner) to avoid the micros and learn on a 450 because they're 'easier to fly'. He crashed it almost every time he flew, got fed up, and eventually quit the hobby altogether.

There is no universal truth about what is easier or better to learn on . There are some objective truths: A large heli is easier to see at distance than a small heli. Large helis cost more to buy and repair than small helis. Large helis are far more dangerous and (for most sane people) intimidating than small helis. Small helis can make one feel lame when showing up at a club or fun fly because they lack gravitas. Etc etc.

I do agree with what others have been hinting at: crashing is essentially a choice. You can choose not to crash simply by taking it slow and never flying ahead of yourself. Although I think there's a step between never-flown-before and hovering-tail-in where you have little choice by to just spool up and hang on. Sim helps with that a great deal, obviously. Buddy boxing also. But if you don't take those options then you're on your own for the first few flights.

I made a deliberate choice to be willing to crash early and often because I wanted an accelerated learning curve. It worked. I started at 33 (old fart), have less than two years on the sticks, and I do alright. It wasn't cheap and it wasn't easy; it was a choice. I don't look down on anyone who chooses to take it slow and I prefer that no one look down on me for striving to go fast. This hobby gives us all pleasure for different reasons. We should encourage new pilots, however, to think carefully about that choice and make it with eyes open.

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03-14-2014 09:25 PM  6 years ago
es1co2bar3

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"It take special skills to fly 450 I like them I never like nothing easy they're pretty challenging to me, I like that there's something different about each them. ......flying a few inches off the grounds a few feet I have some big hello too, but I M not impress there large present and easy to do stuff.I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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03-15-2014 12:28 AM  6 years ago
raholek

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Heli Size
GO BIG!!!
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03-15-2014 12:47 AM  6 years ago
Sam2b

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Ah-hem! Speak for your self. I started at 30, 7 years ago, but I'm still 20 at heart.
I started at 33 (old fart)
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03-15-2014 01:22 AM  6 years ago
Gregor99

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LOL, not me. I am convinced I did it the wrong way Two words, "Esky" and "stubborn".
I think we all are wired to believe that the way we learned is the easiest way to learn, because it worked for us.
That being said, once you get below the size of 450, bench and troubleshooting time can really eat away at your stick time. I started flying a lot better when I moved up in model quality and spent less time doubting the integrity of my equipment.
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03-15-2014 01:41 AM  6 years ago
Retired2011

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Ah-hem! Speak for your self. I started at 30, 7 years ago, but I'm still 20 at heart.
I started at 33 (old fart)
KIDS...I have children your ages...
I started at 64 - that's an "old fart"

I learned on micros and a POS 130X, so a 450 is very manageable for me (like hemp said- it's all about setup).

I'll admit I'm more careful with my TDR, but it's brand new...I'm sure that will wear off this summer.
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03-15-2014 03:25 AM  6 years ago
Trexwilly

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I started in my late 30s and the early 40s are tuff, each year it gets harder to learn new stuff!
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03-15-2014 04:35 AM  6 years ago
es1co2bar3

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as much as I don't like the big hello I didn't really become good with 450 until I fly my REX 600 I been flying 450 for 13 years when I get fed up crashing and costly repair I start back with the big bird,I crash those maybe 3 time a year but 450 maybe every 2 flights.

450 is where my heart is tho,
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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03-15-2014 05:03 AM  6 years ago
turboomni

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es1co2bar3
You are a fine pilot with many skills,,,there is no doubt there!!

My point is with todays electronics and Flybarless systems especially you can make most decent helicopters fly at your capabilities. In other words set up the heli so it does Not out fly you. That is more important to us mortals than the new improved performance capabilities ,,,,,,,that we could never use.. I think that aspect of the new developments is over looked to the average weekend RC heli pilot... my opinion only!!
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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03-15-2014 05:44 AM  6 years ago
es1co2bar3

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My point is with todays electronics and Flybarless systems especially you can make most decent helicopters fly at your capabilities. In other words set up the heli so it does Not out fly you
"You're absolutely rights with that assumption!, but not everybody can fly with FBL) as for me I am a baby bat with these electronic flybar system. I don't really think I M suck with programing the VBAR I can sure use your words it sure fly me half the time no matter how I tweak it.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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03-15-2014 02:06 PM  6 years ago
heli-cuzz

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Bigger is better..... Yes is to crash less!!!!Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90
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03-15-2014 02:21 PM  6 years ago
Noobyflyer

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Having more money in the air can reduce confidence and cause people to fly more conservatively than they would with a small heli. I'd be more inclined to go for it with an MCP X than I would with a 700. Crash costs are a part of the conscience.
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03-15-2014 02:54 PM  6 years ago
heli-cuzz

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I fly big helis less conservative and more aggressive. The small small helis don't act or fly like the larger helis.Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90
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03-15-2014 11:06 PM  6 years ago
Trexwilly

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I admit I have a "beater" heli, that I reserve for learning that new trick, or trying an auto on that flat calm day!
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03-16-2014 07:51 AM  6 years ago
es1co2bar3

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That is more important to us mortals than the new improved performance capabilities ,,,
I have more confident with flybar over the FBL B_cause
I'm in control 100%, but FBL the CPU is in control
the only FBL unit that come close to the flybar is the
7200BX and the macrobeastX, I don't know about anyone else but FBL you have to setup all there perimeter for them to fly the HELI rights something I have a problem doing.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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03-16-2014 10:14 PM  6 years ago
Trexwilly

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I know My larger machines have been crashed less, but flown less as a rule too.

That has been the case from back in the day while I was still flying nitro and FB machines till now with all aE and all FBL
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03-16-2014 11:16 PM  6 years ago
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I assume you crash less because you have earn your stripes and know how to fly. Bigger Heli's (550 and up) tend to be more docile (reacts less and not so sensitive as 450 and smaller) and are easier to see ....letting you fly higher and recovering if you are disoriented.

But if you are just learning out it's better to buddy box on a big heli until you are really comfortable doing basic circuits.

I learned to do my basic 3-D with a T Rex 500. Then when I flew my 450 and never had a mishap for 52 flights until got bored with it. Just proof that I was fully comfortable when I flew my 450 and that's why never had a problem. The 450 was quick but since it was comfortable with my orientations ...... It wasnt an issue for my.

plus as you get into bigger helicopters ....the quality of parts get better too (assuming that you choose to get the better brands). This will result in less "incidents".
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03-17-2014 01:26 AM  6 years ago
Trexwilly

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Well I built the Trex 600 as my second Kit build, So it was in the mix pretty much the whole time...
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