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03-11-2014 03:53 AM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

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Keep in mind that the FAA doesn't actually regulate the "air space." They only regulate "aircraft" aviation operating within the NAS. Model aircraft are not considered aircraft unless they exceed 55 lbs in weight.
I'm no expert on FAA regulations, but was wondering the following.

If the FAA has mandatory no fly zones (e.g., Washington DC) and NOTAMs specifying TFR's and model aviation are required to follow the NOTAMs aren't they in effect regulating the air space and model aviation?
  
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03-11-2014 06:34 PM  6 years ago
AirWolfRC

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Interesting question . . . Since, with the ruling, the FAA has no authority over model airplanes, their TFR's would be moot for modelers.

You can bet there's a lot of scrambling going on right now.

The AMA has spent a lot of time and energy trying to get along with the FAA, the 800 pound gorilla in the room, but the law has finally been applied and the 800 pound gorilla has a problem.
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03-11-2014 10:34 PM  6 years ago
TMoore

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http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/am...t-faa-v-pirker/Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-11-2014 11:15 PM  6 years ago
AirWolfRC

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Yep . . . about what I expected . . . I also expect the FAA to loose.

We'll see what happens.
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03-11-2014 11:47 PM  6 years ago
TMoore

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I hope they lose. They need a reality checkup from the neckup.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-11-2014 11:53 PM  6 years ago
cwdoherty

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When you charge money for it then its no longer a hobby. having a separate catagory for people who are are flying for money is a must. there is a definite separation between the two.If you see me running you should probably also be running.
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03-12-2014 12:03 AM  6 years ago
TMoore

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When you charge money for it then its no longer a hobby. having a separate catagory for people who are are flying for money is a must. there is a definite separation between the two.
I don't agree with that in the least. Just because you do something that you love for a few bucks doesn't make it "no longer a hobby". Lot's of folks are good with a camera, so they shoot a few stills or a video and they get a few bucks; good for them. I don't want the Feds telling them that they have to follow rules just because they shoot a few photos. Same goes with flying camera ships, IMHO.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-12-2014 12:36 AM  6 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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The FAA did not follow their own rule making procedure,they lost the case due to that alone. You guys are taking it to the next level...

All they need to do is reissue the rules and follow procedure. Might take a while, but the result will be the same as before. You might want to put that AP business plan on hold.
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03-12-2014 01:13 AM  6 years ago
Rsams

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Well here in Iowa the lawmakers are already at work regulating them. Some brainiac decided to take one down to the capital building and fly around it taking video and then went to a building that is all glass on one side that is about 7 stories high and was flying in front of the glass filming ppl inside. It took only a few weeks to pass some laws regulating and prolly with more coming. All it takes is a few idiots and it is gonna happen. FAA May have lost this battle but I will bet they don't lose the warRyan,Team JR, Team Morgan Fuels, Team KDE Direct, RCBearings.com Tech Rep
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03-12-2014 01:29 AM  6 years ago
Retired2011

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All it takes is a few idiots and it is gonna happen. FAA May have lost this battle but I will bet they don't lose the war
I wouldn't bet against that.
There will always be enough idiots around to ruin things for everyone, because they only care about their own interests.
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03-12-2014 01:32 AM  6 years ago
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I wrote about this a bit last year when the state law makers started to introduce badly worded bills into the legislator. Oregon made a bunch of news with a really bad bill, Nebraska's wasn't much better in my opinion because of how loosely a 'drone' was defined. That Wal-Mart Airhog with a camera the 6 year old kids fly could be under the jurisdiction of this bill if it were to pass:

http://nebraskalegislature.gov/Floo...Intro/LB412.pdf

So glad to hear of this judge injecting a bunch of common sense into this legal conversation.

https://rc.runryder.com/t726114p1/?p=5987407#RR
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03-12-2014 01:44 AM  6 years ago
AirWolfRC

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The world is full of idiots . . . on both sides of the argument.
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03-12-2014 11:04 AM  6 years ago
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The world is full of idiots . . . on both sides of the argument.
Certainly can't argue with that!!!
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03-12-2014 11:55 AM  6 years ago
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FAA announces decision to Appeal
This is not going to be resolved anytime soon, nor should it be.

http://www.flyingmag.com/news/faa-a...=MjgwNTc2NjM2S0

Remember, this all changed when a bunch of dumb geese decided to take Sully for a swim in the Hudson. Before that, general consensus was that a small bird/aircraft could not take down a jet. You have the geese to blame.

In defense of geese everywhere, we taste good!
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03-12-2014 12:26 PM  6 years ago
Rsams

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Yeah and you know what the saying is: as we make things more idiot proof god makes better idiots!!Ryan,Team JR, Team Morgan Fuels, Team KDE Direct, RCBearings.com Tech Rep
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03-18-2014 05:51 PM  6 years ago
AirWolfRC

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Another article that shows how much of a problem the FAA is . . .

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...stration-031714

It is my position that the FAA is the greatest hindrance to aviation in the USA . . . ever.
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04-06-2014 06:48 PM  6 years ago
AirWolfRC

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And the FAA has absolutely nothing to say about it !

Navy continues on autonomous drone project to deliver supplies.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/0...-landing-sites/

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/othe...r-own-1.1314693

New FAA motto

We're not happy till hou're not happy
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04-22-2014 04:00 PM  6 years ago
AirWolfRC

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Now the FAA is being sued for its actions and over-reach.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/2...tcmp=latestnews
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