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03-10-2014 02:49 PM  4 years agoPost 461
unclejane

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Ah, I see. You edited your own statement.
Way to go.
I edited nothing. You never read my comments in the first place; "overly insidious" was a product only of your imagination.
Just the same. Show us where the term "Overtly Religious" is in the law.
Now you're catching on. A little bit anyway.

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03-10-2014 02:51 PM  4 years agoPost 462
unclejane

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If displaying an "Overtly Religious" symbol on public land is against the law then what are the consequences?
By that, I mean how much jail time or how much is the fine?
For breaking any law, there is jail time and or a fine to pay for breaking that law. Right?
How much jail time and or how much is the fine for the mother that tried to honor the life and death of her son by displaying a cross on the side of the road?
Will she be thrown in the drunk tank? Will she go to city jail, or a state prison? Is it a felony or just a misdemeanor?
There you go. You're at least sort of -ish learning how to ask questions. How 'bout that... Now maybe you can learn something about your country and its legal system....

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03-10-2014 03:01 PM  4 years agoPost 463
Dennis (RIP)

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There you go. You're at least sort of -ish learning how to ask questions. How 'bout that... Now maybe you can learn something about your country and its legal system....
Teach me oh master of the legal system.

Will the grieving mother serve jail time, pay a fine, or get community service for her evil and overtly religious symbolism she displayed on the side of the road?

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-10-2014 03:05 PM  4 years agoPost 464
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Thomas
We don't know how the sun was formed. He didn't say we think the sun was formedby:::: he stated his version as fact. The only time he was trueful was just as the vid faded he started to make a statement to the fact that we don't know how the Dino's died.
I'm not really sure how you consider scientific knowledge simplified for kids a lie. For what it's worth we have a pretty good idea why the Dinosaurs died out.
My main purpose in life is to do my best to live in Gods will for my life and to tell others of Gods love and grace. This entails a continual study of his written word and prayerfully seeking his guidance and using the gifts he has given me for his purposes as well.
That's it? and you have the audacity to say that we atheists have no purpose. You know I could tear this apart but it's so stupid it speaks for it's self.
You said we are the only animal on this planet to have the ability to divert from our instincts.
I said "We are the only animal to the best of human knowledge that is able to break it's instinctual programing to such a degree"

There are currently communication programs going on with Dolphins for one if these are successful we may find some interesting things about what they do. Could also be a total waste of time but interesting none the less.
Why do you believe this is so and why do we need To divert? All the other creatures on this planet do very well by following their instincts do they not? They dont wage war and constantly kill each other off for no good reason, they don't kill themselfs off before they are born,they don't go aginst how they are designed to function.
This is our survival advantage. When we look at the animal kingdom what we find are many things some animals are fast some have massive claws and teeth some incredible strength others size and camouflage then there is venom.... I could go on and on. We are smart without that advantage we don't stand a chance. That's what we evolved not saying it's a good thing for the planet but it's made us the dominant species.

The animal world is interesting there are fights over territory you might consider this war some animals die for this. I guess they lack the intelligence and tools to perform abortions. There are however the killing of the young. In the event that a lion pride's dominant male get's challenged and beaten the new male will in many cases kill any young cubs in the pride, this in turn brings the females into season sooner. Do you think they are "designed to function" really? pretty crap design.
So why do we need to divert from instinct hoggy? Because we are just smarter then evolution?
Because following instincts is not always right. Ask any detective who followed their gut and found out the evidence proved something different.
Now what is the purpose of a mountain . This is a very long lesson but for starters they are a beautiful thing to look at .
Ahuh they are a beautiful thing to look at. That's the best you can come up with. That's purely subjective. I hope the long part of the lesson is better then that.
Now on your side of the coin the list of the purpose they serve is as long as the list of things that have to be happening constantly and continually inorder for life on this planet to continue to exist.
On this side of the coin we don't presume purpose. We can tell you the why and how it happens to be there from the observations and a lot of other details like the wiki page you attached.

Talking about this cross on the roadside we have them here no one ever asks to have them removed I'd be willing to bet atheists even place them. I think you'd find here that most people don't think of it as a Christian only symbol. Often it's the local council that removes them and upsets the community. I don't agree with any group going to court to have one removed. I do understand however why atheists in your country fight using the law and the courts whenever the opportunity exists. Maybe you guys should agree to have the words removed from your money. Now there is a government endorsement.

I will say though regarding the cross don't you think it strange you use a Roman torture device as your symbol peace love and all that. It's also strange that you can't get the skin colour of your lord and saviour right either.

Would you guys think it strange if your court houses had Guillotine image on the way.

What if we put statues of the Grim Reaper on the roadside for the dead? Or the hangman's gallows?

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03-10-2014 03:15 PM  4 years agoPost 465
unclejane

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Teach me oh master of the legal system.
No, your education is your responsibility. Try that asking questions designed to elicit real answers thingy some more - it's a new, revolutionary way of learning things that is totally new to you, of course. But you'll be amazed at the results if you keep going with it. You might not be as much of a stupid a$$ at the end of it; a tall order indeed, but we can all hope!

Might pass it on to TLE too; he needs it as bad as you.

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03-10-2014 03:21 PM  4 years agoPost 466
unclejane

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What if we put statues of the Grim Reaper on the roadside for the dead? Or the hangman's gallows?
Indeed, or idols of Islam or any other religion. Historically, this only comes up here in the US when the monuments are Christian in orientation. Christians have no problem with upholding the 1st amendment in these cases when the monuments are anything other than Christian ones - such as idols relating to Islam or even if atheists mockingly put up a monument of their own with Thomas Paine quotes on it or something like that.

It's only when the favor is in their direction that Christians are ok with violating the 1st (or any protections in the bill of rights for that matter), not surprisingly.

This has a long history in the US...

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03-10-2014 03:35 PM  4 years agoPost 467
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No, your education is your responsibility. Try that asking questions designed to elicit real answers thingy some more - it's a new, revolutionary way of learning things that is totally new to you, of course. But you'll be amazed at the results if you keep going with it. You might not be as much of a stupid a$$ at the end of it; a tall order indeed, but we can all hope!
Yeah but. O master of the legal system.

I can't find any law against a grieving mother placing an overtly religious symbol of the cross to honor the life and death of her son.

I am afraid I will have to rely of your legal expertise.

Please help. Which law is it?

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-10-2014 03:48 PM  4 years agoPost 468
unclejane

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Yeah but. O master of the legal system.
I can't find any law against a grieving mother placing an overtly religious symbol of the cross to honor the life and death of her son.
I am afraid I will have to rely of your legal expertise.
Please help. Which law is it?
What does your bible say..hmm... seek and ye shall find, I think it is? I'd render it as read and ye shall learn... fortunately, we have this giant network of computers out there called the Internet - that can assist you in your research. Keep on going, you might get there someday.

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03-10-2014 03:57 PM  4 years agoPost 469
Dennis (RIP)

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What does your bible say..hmm... seek and ye shall find, I think it is? I'd render it as read and ye shall learn... fortunately, we have this giant network of computers out there called the Internet - that can assist you in your research. Keep on going, you might get there someday.
Tried that. Still could not find a law against a grieving mother placing an overtly religious symbol of a cross at the side of a road for any reason.

Which law is it O master of the legal system?

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-10-2014 04:06 PM  4 years agoPost 470
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Tried that. Still could not find a law against a grieving mother placing an overtly religious symbol of a cross at the side of a road for any reason.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=U.S.+constitut...+of+rights#seen

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03-10-2014 04:12 PM  4 years agoPost 471
Dennis (RIP)

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Well then.

If the master of the legal system cannot quote the law on this subject, then there is no law against that poor, grieving mother.

Idiot.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-10-2014 04:18 PM  4 years agoPost 472
unclejane

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Well then.
Sorry, forgot instructions: Just click the link; left mouse button...

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03-10-2014 05:09 PM  4 years agoPost 473
Thomas L Erb

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You know hoggy brings up a good concept. Uj the words on every piece of money you own has in God we trust on it . So according to your values ( as you can't prove a single law aginst it) is in violation of the first amendment. I there fore order all of your money to be removed from your possession , I'll be right over ! Oh crap I forgot you buddy Obama has already done beat me to it. NEVER MIND!

Hoggy you know if the mother would have put a statue of the Grim reaper instead of a cross we would not be having this conversation.

Uj we according to you should also remove every cross for all of our millitary graveyards as well. How do you think that will fly? I'd bet not!

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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03-10-2014 05:19 PM  4 years agoPost 474
unclejane

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Uj the words on every piece of money you own has in God we trust on it . So according to your values ( as you can't prove a single law aginst it) is in violation of the first amendment
You too - here's the path out of idiocy I also gave to Dennis:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=U.S.+constitut...+of+rights#seen

Instructions: Click the link, LMB. And off you go.

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03-11-2014 02:03 AM  4 years agoPost 475
Thomas L Erb

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You all I can say is anybody that has the nerve to disrespect the dead is IMHO the lowest form of life on this planet.
Come on uj send me your money or are you just a hypocript?

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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03-11-2014 04:43 AM  4 years agoPost 476
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Uh oh they say we evolved from a sponge now....

From water and minerals to a sponge from a sponge to a bird that flys yoohoo its all resolved now.

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03-11-2014 02:24 PM  4 years agoPost 477
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I do understand however why atheists in your country fight using the law and the courts whenever the opportunity exists. Maybe you guys should agree to have the words removed from your money. Now there is a government endorsement.
Yes, and this is another case where government endorsement of religion is approved of simply because if favors the majority religion. Christians would be filing all kinds of lawsuits and whining and picketing if, for example, "in Allah we trust" were on our coinage. Christians don't care about the law and they never have. They only care that they receive the exemptions from it when they're granted - that's a core part of American history with separation of church and state and why it's so frequently violated here. "might makes right" is Christianity's ethic here, simply in virtue of their numbers in the US (and, at the same time, they're always whining about being "persecuted" lol).

The latest round of "in God we trust" on US coinage started in, I believe, 1955 or 1957, but it has a long history going back to the civil war. There have been efforts recently to get it removed, but none has been successful so far.

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03-11-2014 03:01 PM  4 years agoPost 478
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Hoggy you know if the mother would have put a statue of the Grim reaper instead of a cross we would not be having this conversation.
Yeah I know it would have been removed without a court case the mother told it was offensive and no body would have cared at all.

Hitch here is talking about the sick and dying I know it's not the same as the dead. Now I can't speak on Out's behalf but I and most of us get it when we talk about disrespecting the dead and or dying. Christians can be rather disrespectful as well, When you are told that your friends or family have gone to hell because they didn't believe in god. When I was younger and weaker someone said this to me and at the time it did hurt. Now Tom I'm not saying you are guilty of this but some Christians are. As a atheist now I find the concept of heaven just as bad as hell and I'm not remotely offended by it.

Watch at YouTube

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Uh oh they say we evolved from a sponge now....
From water and minerals to a sponge from a sponge to a bird that flys yoohoo its all resolved now.
Hang on didn't you say this?
Only a idiot or uneducated person would think what comes out of the tail pipe is poison..
As you don't seem to have any sort of grip on reality why would anyone think you know what your talking about.

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03-11-2014 03:30 PM  4 years agoPost 479
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Ya, car exhaust is poison we are all dying from it here in the big city.

people live to be 90 and they have been around the tail pipe poison thier whole life..

And still, they didnt die from taip pipe poison.

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03-11-2014 04:13 PM  4 years agoPost 480
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Ya, car exhaust is poison we are all dying from it here in the big city.
people live to be 90 and they have been around the tail pipe poison thier whole life..

And still, they didnt die from taip pipe poison.
Try locking yourself in your garage with your car's engine running for a while, say, overnight. Get back to us with your result.

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