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01-04-2014 06:19 AM  4 years agoPost 1
BobOD

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So, the question is, if you were handed 2 helis, one with vbar express and one with pro, can you think of ways you could tell the difference?

Let's see who thinks they could and how.
I have several ways...I'll start with a rather obscure one for now.

Let's say one crashed due to a bad rx connector. More than likely this was the express as the logging feature in the pro would have been more likely to have detected the problem.

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01-04-2014 06:29 AM  4 years agoPost 2
JKos

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More than likely this was the express as the logging feature in the pro...
You're making a big assumption that Pro users actually use or check the logs. I bet only a small percentage actually do.

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01-04-2014 11:34 AM  4 years agoPost 3
Jeff polisena

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There are many ways ,with PC besides the obvious logs is one .open gienious hats you will be able to access a lot more with the pro . You can fine tune all the rates and gains bot could mess up a lot if you do t know what your changing

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01-04-2014 12:52 PM  4 years agoPost 4
Ace Dude

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So, the question is, if you were handed 2 helis, one with vbar express and one with pro, can you think of ways you could tell the difference?
Are you talking about flying characteristics between the express/pro versions or non-flying features only?

If for non-flying features, you only need to handed the FBL units themselves as there's no need for a complete heli.

  

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01-04-2014 01:00 PM  4 years agoPost 5
Retired2011

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1.) You could not tell any difference by flying them (which I believe is where this started).
2.) For those that know how to use the pro features, it would be worth it.
3.) For a vast number of people the pro features would be a waste.
4.) If you had a crash that was not pilot error, probably a very small %, you might find the problem, if you bothered to look at the logs (I bet most don't even look).

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01-04-2014 01:07 PM  4 years agoPost 6
Auddiss

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Go with pro way more tuning options

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01-04-2014 01:42 PM  4 years agoPost 7
VinceY

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I have 3 Vbars. The third one is Express software and I had planned to update to Pro later. I can't tell the difference between it and the other two. I don't need the gov function and apparently I don't need the auto trim feature as I feel no ill effects in how the chopper flies. Maybe I should be looking at the logging, but if we're just talking about flying the heli, there is no difference.

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01-04-2014 04:31 PM  4 years agoPost 8
BobOD

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You're making a big assumption that Pro users actually use or check the logs.
I don't think it is unreasonable to think that someone would do a simple thing as check his logs before handing a heli over to someone. It's there for a reason, you paid for it, should be used. Anyway, there is at least a possibility you could tell the difference.

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01-04-2014 04:40 PM  4 years agoPost 9
bkervaski

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The only difference between Express and Pro (from a flying standpoint) is that Pro lets you tweak the Express default settings by revealing additional options.

So yea, if you tweak the flying parameters with Pro it will fly different than Express.

"Better", however, is a matter of opinion and preference.

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01-04-2014 05:29 PM  4 years agoPost 10
BobOD

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1.) You could not tell any difference by flying them (which I believe is where this started).
Actually, Old Hippie, you're a little off here. This actually started with a debate about the tactics in which the Pro is sold. It was then conveniently changed to this one, which is a completely different debate. Kinda says there's not much use for the pro upgrade which I also disagree with. But, it's not where it started at all.
Anyway, not being one to cower from a challenge, I decided to take it. Yes, we can consider the question "can you tell by how it flys".
2.) For those that know how to use the pro features, it would be worth it.
Why? If it doesn't make any difference in the flight experience, then why get it? Why do people advertise it has pro in the classifieds. And if it doesn't say so, why do people ask if it does or not?
Keep an eye here...you'll find out.
3.) For a vast number of people the pro features would be a waste.
Indeed, and these people should never have a problem.
4.) If you had a crash that was not pilot error, probably a very small %, you might find the problem, if you bothered to look at the logs (I bet most don't even look).
I do not think this feature is a complete waste of the programmers time and effort. You seem to think it was. Different people have different opinions is all. Perfectly fine.

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01-04-2014 06:31 PM  4 years agoPost 11
boogie12

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If the unit is being installed on a nitro then the pro software is almost a must for the governor function alone. If I was handed two choppers and told to fly both I would be able to tell whether one is operating on express or pro software if its a nitro.

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01-04-2014 06:39 PM  4 years agoPost 12
pdman

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If you set up a heli with the express firmware, fly it, then upgrade that same heli to the pro firmware, and fly it again before changing any settings, the heli will fly exactly the same as it did with the express firmware until you change any of the pro-specific flight settings.

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01-04-2014 06:46 PM  4 years agoPost 13
BobOD

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Good one boogie12. How about on an electric?
Can nobody tell the difference between internal and external gov?

C'mon guys, this shouldn't take a whole bunch of PMing to figure out. I'm starting to wonder how many people actually know how to use the pro upgrade.

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01-04-2014 07:25 PM  4 years agoPost 14
Craigdieslemac

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Don't forget bank switching with pro.. I use that.

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01-04-2014 07:28 PM  4 years agoPost 15
BobOD

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I don't need the auto trim feature
FYI, I believe you have "Trim Flight" with the express software. You might be thinking about optimizer.

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01-04-2014 07:36 PM  4 years agoPost 16
BobOD

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Excellent one Craigdieslemac. Bank switching. Very important one IMO. This takes you to the next level...especially in combination with some of the other pro features.

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01-04-2014 07:40 PM  4 years agoPost 17
Retired2011

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Maybe I missed what actually started the conversation then.
I do not think this feature is a complete waste of the programmers time and effort. You seem to think it was.
Not at all...I think you are misunderstanding me.
I love the pro features and have it on my 3 Vbars. I love the logging feature and use it often.

I just think that an awful lot of guys wouldn't have a clue how to use, any of the advanced features really, or would bother if they did.
That's why I think it's a good idea to sell the unit with only express capabilities, and let those of us with enough 'experience' (for lack of a better word) buy the pro upgrade if we want it, while you seem to think it's a marketing trick.

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01-04-2014 07:58 PM  4 years agoPost 18
BobOD

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Oh no! I absolutely agree that it's 100% a good idea to have express for those that don't need or want it.
In fact, I would see it as a marketing trick if so many were buying it and it was not useful. It is very useful. Well worth a measly 45 bucks.

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01-04-2014 08:52 PM  4 years agoPost 19
LaDon

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If you were lucky enough to have express on a heli that didn't need any tweaking then no you wouldn't know the difference. If you had pro and didn't know how to use the tweaks to make it perform better the the answer is still no. But if you know how to tweak it and know what you are looking for then yes you would know the difference. A lot depends on what type of flying you do also. If you are doing FIA type flying or xfc type competitions you will use the pro software functions to its full potential. It just depends on what you want. Actually now the pro software is 38 or 39 dollars the last one I got. I find it funny that we spend a couple thousand bucks on a heli and we need to argue over a $40 upgrade that is totally voluntary for a person to get. It really boils down to if you want it

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01-05-2014 01:25 PM  4 years agoPost 20
Jeff polisena

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Mikado first released a open book so to say ,meaning all features available .With the all features accesable they had to be in personal contact with a lot of customers to fix or tweak . With releasing express it was basically a plug and play with a basic instructional page step by step . The customers that were used to the open book versions still needed to access all the same features so Pro was available . Price was lowered for express not raised for pro and has nothing to do with marketing trick but flexability for customer to pay for what they need as they need it without buying a new complete unit .

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