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01-03-2014 03:32 AM  4 years agoPost 41
TMoore

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Just think each post in this thread gets you closer to the leader, whoever that might be.

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01-03-2014 05:14 AM  4 years agoPost 42
YSRRider

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+1 on my post count

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01-03-2014 05:41 AM  4 years agoPost 43
raptorapture

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Now that hurts. I just eyeballed someone's pitch for them. In fact came up with new? process, take pic, use protractor, divide by two. Tail pitch that is

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01-03-2014 06:15 AM  4 years agoPost 44
Rotormaster

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This is what I found- I have been on here a lot longer than I thought and had fewer posts than I realized. Both good things.
Both good things... In your opinion, not objectively.

I do agree with you that some people would be doing the forum a gargantuan favour by containing their compulsive urge to share their opinion on every matter. But on the other hand, I fervently disagree with the notion that posting as little as possible is inherently a good thing. Imagine, for example, if everybody did this... The forum would be dead (even more than it is, at times).

I, for one, am glad that there are folks on here who are as active as they are. When I open a thread asking for help, it's these guys who bounce ideas at me.

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01-03-2014 03:11 PM  4 years agoPost 45
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I do agree with you that some people would be doing the forum a gargantuan favour by containing their compulsive urge to share their opinion on every matter.
I agree wholeheartedly. There are some here that post on every single topic they can, religiously. And the posts at times belittle the topic starter saying "oh you're behind the times...you need to get this and that because I have had it for years." (you know who you are) While I agree there is a wealth of information to be imparted it would be nice to hear from others who hardly post.

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01-03-2014 06:22 PM  4 years agoPost 46
McKrackin

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And the posts at times belittle the topic starter saying "oh you're behind the times...you need to get this and that because I have had it for years."
Those posts are infuriating..."Throw away your junk and buy what I have"...

Should be ban-worthy...Along with "Do a search".

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01-03-2014 07:37 PM  4 years agoPost 47
RyanW

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But on the other hand, I fervently disagree with the notion that posting as little as possible is inherently a good thing. Imagine, for example, if everybody did this... The forum would be dead (even more than it is, at times).
I agree with that Rotormaster. I should have put that in the context of signal to noise ratio. I hope that over the years my signal to noise (informative vs static) ratio was good!

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01-03-2014 10:26 PM  4 years agoPost 48
YSRRider

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Now that hurts. I just eyeballed someone's pitch for them. In fact came up with new? process, take pic, use protractor, divide by two. Tail pitch that is
We have always used primitive methods on the tail, either sighting down the hub to see if both grips/bolt heads were level with each other or eyeballing the arm so that its 90 to the boom. It doesn't matter so much on the tail because there is always some pitch to the blades to keep the machine from spinning. I used to hover my machine in rate mode and adjust the ball ends till the heli stopped drifting but later on we established it was better to get as close to zero pitch as you can and make sure you had equal throws with no binding.

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01-04-2014 03:51 AM  4 years agoPost 49
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I thinks peer feedback should replace post count as a scale of how valuable an individual is to the heli community. There are guys who spend all weekend writing a single long post which is chocked full of good information, and there are other guys who post nothing but "1+" in all threads. The 1+ should not count towards post count, but in this current system, the 1+ is the only way to give feedback, so it's still important.

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01-04-2014 04:09 AM  4 years agoPost 50
ADHD

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+1

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01-04-2014 06:07 PM  4 years agoPost 51
raptorapture

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We have always used primitive methods on the tail, either sighting down the hub to see if both grips/bolt heads were level with each other or eyeballing the arm so that its 90 to the boom. It doesn't matter so much on the tail because there is always some pitch to the blades to keep the machine from spinning. I used to hover my machine in rate mode and adjust the ball ends till the heli stopped drifting but later on we established it was better to get as close to zero pitch as you can and make sure you had equal throws with no binding.
I've also used the same method in the past; however, I was asked recently to verify a setup and came up with this method being remote and not wanting to insist on them getting my fav tool, the latest and greatest: RC Logger Digital pitch gauge 2!

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01-04-2014 08:07 PM  4 years agoPost 52
YSRRider

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you are helping someone over the internet?

tell him to get his tail servo 90'd and to center the pitch slider so that he has equal throws both left and right with no binding. adjust the ball link and ATV/endpoints to achieve this. If he cant do it on his own, tell him to sell his helicopter and get into collecting stamps or Barbie dolls.

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01-04-2014 09:32 PM  4 years agoPost 53
TMoore

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Most tail geometry doesnt require equal throw so setting the cranks to 90 degrees is OK but it will ultimately depend on what pitch is required on the tail to maintain zero piro rate.

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01-05-2014 02:08 AM  4 years agoPost 54
classic

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yup.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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01-05-2014 06:39 AM  4 years agoPost 55
YSRRider

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setting the crank at 90 usually sets the pitch slider at the required pitch so the tail doesnt drift much in a normal hover. people dont fly in rate mode much so setting up for that is pointless and that doesnt help with binding. Now your ATV's will be 100/40 or something odd like that. Its good habit to take the time to get things symmetrical.

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01-05-2014 06:55 AM  4 years agoPost 56
TMoore

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setting the crank at 90 usually sets the pitch slider at the required pitch so the tail doesnt drift much in a normal hover. people dont fly in rate mode much so setting up for that is pointless and that doesnt help with binding. Now your ATV's will be 100/40 or something odd like that. Its good habit to take the time to get things symmetrical.
I would agree if that were true in every instance but it's not. Setting up in rate mode is valuable since it allows the user the ability to know where the tail pitch slider is supposed to be not where we think it should be. Furthermore on a CW rotating system there is typically way more left tail available than there is right tail rotor so why would you want to make the throw equal in each direction? After all torque is adding to the tail rotor authority when pirouetting left. In reality what we need is more right tail rotor and less left to achieve comparable piro rates in both directions.

IMHO, you only need to worry about setting up in rate mode to establish that the tail rotor is trimmed mechanically then set the right tail rotor EPA to as much as you need for the desired piro rate and whatever that value is match the left EPA and you are done.

Manufacturers make geometry errors when they lay out the tail slider geometry and sometimes the user will need to make the correction themselves like on an Align Trex 600 that needs a shim under the tail bellcrank mount.

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01-05-2014 10:10 AM  4 years agoPost 57
RussJ

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It must be winter time, looks like some people are a little cranky and getting cabin fever!

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01-05-2014 11:41 PM  4 years agoPost 58
YSRRider

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its rare that someone flies in normal mode, most people inhibit normal mode so setting up in normal is obsolete practice. Maybe the scale guys do that still?

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01-05-2014 11:53 PM  4 years agoPost 59
TMoore

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Just about all of the modern FBL sensors like the BD, CGY750 and others recommend setting the tail up in rate mode before switching to HH.

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01-06-2014 01:45 AM  4 years agoPost 60
Ace Dude

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I don't know anyone who's ever inhibited normal mode.

  

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