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01-01-2014 07:39 PM  4 years agoPost 101
BobOD

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BTW, it's a little off topic but you can buy Align helis airframe only. I've bought just about every one of their models that way.
You can do even better if you buy a combo and sell off what you don't want...if it's worth the bother though.

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01-01-2014 07:41 PM  4 years agoPost 102
knightofcarnage

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I don't who every does it as long its not a monopoly like it was with RH. Towerhobby has the expirence, horizon (not my favorite) , empire hobby, hrpdealer ... I would love to see it the kits again on grandrc. I would love to go into a hobby shop and pick up crash parts.

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01-01-2014 08:14 PM  4 years agoPost 103
Ronald Thomas

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For years I have been saying Mikado's tactics of selling you a PRO software was borderline ripping off the consumer and I am not alone with this thought process. Sell the consumer a product and intentional limit it for a future sale is padding your pockets in an unethical manner. Its kind of funny V-bar minis sold for $299 now they are $199 (as I recall) the overpriced Bluetooth modules now sell for half of their original asking price. Its supply and demand their demand is not what it was and now the prices have been lowered accordingly.
You are kidding right??? You act as if the VBAR did not fly perfectly without the pro software. If your airframe had issues you didn't want to correct mechanically then the pro software would allow you to tweak it and still get a GREAT flying heli….OH and you get a fully functioning governor that works on nitro, electric, and gassers. You also get real time voltage watch and log gin features that would tell you if you had a problem with your tx or heli BEFORE you had a crash because of them…..all for $45 (because that is such a huge price to pay on a $1500-$2500 heli).
If they had included the pro software, then a lot of people would shy away because now the price is higher than the $200 people want to pay (lest we forget the Spartan gyros were $200 when they came out and that was a single axis gyro).

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01-01-2014 08:56 PM  4 years agoPost 104
Retired2011

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Mikado might be slipping in some parts of the country, but around here they are definitely getting more popular. There are more Logos and Vbars every time I turn around at my flying fields.

That might change without RH though...we'll see what they have up their sleeve.

Chet

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01-01-2014 09:07 PM  4 years agoPost 105
BobOD

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First of all, I don't think the vbar is overpriced anymore...even including the cost of the upgrade. It's a little outdated on the processor and software encryption for the price perhaps, but it does a good job for the money.

Having said that, I think this statement is a lot of hogwash.
You act as if the VBAR did not fly perfectly without the pro software. If your airframe had issues you didn't want to correct...
I've seen a number of times where the logging feature of the pro software was needed to spot and diagnose problems not related to the airframe. And here's the key, a lot of the people who bought the express didn't even know there was an upgrade and what it could do at the time of purchase. They sometimes were told they don't need it...until they do need it.

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01-01-2014 09:28 PM  4 years agoPost 106
Jeff polisena

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I think it's spot on and not hogwash :-/ before there was pro upgrade many did not know how to set up vbars correctly and blamed mikado not the end user . Mikado simplified interface to ease the setup process which allowed users to get in the air safe and upgrade when skills grew .

I aims a Heli flying perfect with vbar and buyer said it was setup wrong when he was trying to setup like align or pro bar ,not using PC.i refunded and retuned and sold again .

Leaving all the personal experiences out of the equation you can't argue the fact that Mikado is ahead of others on technology .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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01-01-2014 10:01 PM  4 years agoPost 107
Retired2011

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That's what I think, Jeff...

If they didn't even know the Pro was available, or what it could do, or how to use it...

They certainly didn't need to be messing with it, just creates more confusion for a new guy!

Chet

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01-01-2014 11:29 PM  4 years agoPost 108
Ronald Thomas

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I agree as well. So for $45 you get a tool that will diagnose your Heli for you....worth the $$$ by itself.

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01-01-2014 11:30 PM  4 years agoPost 109
BobOD

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Well, none of that addressed the points I made.
" issues you didn't want to correct" is just blaming the customer which is often not the solution.
And
You can go straight to the Mikado site, to the vbar product order page, add it to your cart, download and read the manual that's there, place the order. And there's not a mention of Pro features through all of that. I think this is what many people get bothered about.
To then tell them it's their fault is just going to give them a sour taste.
Not me, I know all about Pro and don't mind paying for it.

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01-01-2014 11:40 PM  4 years agoPost 110
GScott

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I don't understand the earlier comments about being forced to buy combos. Every current Mikado heli is available as a kit only except maybe the 700/800. To compare a Mikado combo to an Align combo is a joke. At least with a Mikado combo you are getting top shelf components like Kontronik/YGE speed controllers, Scorpion motors, Edge blades, and a Vbar. Not the crap 3gx or Align ESC's that you can't even give away.

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01-02-2014 12:05 AM  4 years agoPost 111
Jeff polisena

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At first vbar had all the features then lowered the price and you got the basic get you flying unit .Then you add pro to get the features that were there in the first place for added cost which was also back to original cost .IMO This was so vbar would be on a level playing field for the beginner, price and simple but also still take care of the loyal and current vbar pilots .

I think there is a confusion of topics in this thread between combo and kit only . There really is no comparison between Mikado and Align ,kind of like a Porche and VW .Both helis can fly well but quality is different .
Mikado is geometry correct .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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01-02-2014 12:47 AM  4 years agoPost 112
LaDon

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Gscott you are correct mikado does put in good components. I may have explained that wrong. My point is not the parts but you need both just the kit and the combo. That was my only point.

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01-02-2014 01:03 AM  4 years agoPost 113
Ronald Thomas

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Sorry but bad geometry is not Mikado's fault, neither are bad satellites and vibration issues. All things diagnosed by the VBAR logger and yes they are the customers fault.

And you can buy just the kits for the 700/800

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01-02-2014 01:05 AM  4 years agoPost 114
BobOD

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Many are not the customers fault.

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01-02-2014 01:22 AM  4 years agoPost 115
BobOD

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I don't get the combo issue either. You can buy just about every Mikado kit without electronics. They were often out of stock at RH though.

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01-02-2014 01:24 AM  4 years agoPost 116
Retired2011

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Mikado stuff out of stock....wonder if we'll ever know the real reason?

Chet

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01-02-2014 01:47 AM  4 years agoPost 117
BobOD

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Yeah, getting back on subject here, this certainly peaks curiosity. Of course I doubt we'll ever know but it seems something happened sudden like. With the launch of a new model to this announcement only to pull that new model off the site. Something happened alright.

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01-02-2014 01:48 AM  4 years agoPost 118
Rob43

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I hope it all works out for the many guys who enjoy their Logo helicopters. I've read many threads on parts availability. I really wonder what the truth is there. I've seen as many assertions that it's due to shortages from Mikado as I have that it's somehow RH's fault. I think parts is going to become worse overall in our hobby because there are so many brands and many of us all enjoy our different brands. If you're a dealer, I can imagine it's a struggle to commit to a brand and keep much. Even within a brand, soooo many models and versions within...

Rob

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01-02-2014 01:53 AM  4 years agoPost 119
Jeff polisena

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I can live without logos just let me know where I can buy vbars when needed .Hard for me to change when had such good results with them .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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01-02-2014 01:57 AM  4 years agoPost 120
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With all of the effort and advertising Mikado does at IRCHA.. they obviously don't think the USA is a lost market.. I would bet they have a plan.

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